how do you live off student loans if it all goes on rent

durhampoker99

bestpud wrote: »

You are missing the point digsby!

People like your dd can and do go to Oxbridge and that is something to be encouraged. Nobody has argued it does not open doors and nobody has argued it does not offer a good standard of education.

Well, actually, they have. You go re-read some of the posts that have been made. It's why I've spent a lot of time trying to provide evidence on this very point.

What people have argued is that it is not full of privileged individuals who consider themselves to be superior to the rest of the human race and who believe Oxbridge is only for this type of student.

Take your head out of your @rse and actually read what I've said. The most contentious comment I think I've made is that saying that GENERALLY and on AVERAGE Oxbridge students are more intelligent than average. You have to be delusional to think otherwise.

Not enough state educated children are encouraged to even apply for Oxbridge and this is a shame - the last thing they need is pompous !!!!!holes making it seem they won't fit in and are not worthy of being there!

Honestly, you're an idiot. When did I ever suggest people from state schools "aren't worthy of being there". On the contrary I'm active in ENCOURAGING them to apply. I've also on numerous occasions explained that I think it is easier to get the top grades and interview help at the best schools - part of the reason I'm active in the help on interviews.

Oxbridge is but one accomplishment in life - there are far more to be had and it is wrong to assume it is the be all and end all. Oxbridge grads are not necessarily the most intelligent or most hard working - doors are opened for reasons other than that, as I am sure you will know! And, Oxbridge grads are not the only ones who will get the best jobs or do very well in life either.

Again, show me where I contradicted that. I only ever said they have a BETTER CHANCE. Doors opening is another way of putting that. Once you're into a job your university ceases to matter, it's how you perform in a workplace scenario that they care about.

But, it should be open to all and the sad fact is, many are put off by the elitist attitude displayed in durhampokers posts.

I'm afraid that any time people put someone in the position of defending what they themselves have achieved it is always likely to come across as boastful. Elitist is entirely the wrong word, look it up. Arrogant may be closer to the truth, if that is what has come across then I apologise.

Please read back through the threads and you will see what I mean.

No, you read.

DurhamPoker99

bestpud

I'm afraid that any time people put someone in the position of defending what they themselves have achieved it is always likely to come across as boastful. Elitist is entirely the wrong word, look it up. Arrogant may be closer to the truth, if that is what has come across then I apologise.

Melancholly manages ok?

To be fair, Digsby managed to come across pretty well too. It was the fact he/she got the wrong end of the stick when it came to the criticsim of you that raised the responses to his/her post.

The only one who has come across as boastful and arrogant is you in fact!

melancholly

bestpud wrote: »

I'm afraid that any time people put someone in the position of defending what they themselves have achieved it is always likely to come across as boastful. Elitist is entirely the wrong word, look it up. Arrogant may be closer to the truth, if that is what has come across then I apologise.

Melancholly manages ok?

ta muchly! i guess i'm content enough in my 'achievement' of going to cambridge to not need to go on and on about it. i sincerely hope that i'm judged by other things than the certificates i have.

DurhamPoker - you're not 'actively encouraging' people to apply - or if you are intending to, your comments are very misjudged.

but anyway, in terms of students saving money after paying big rents (the point of the thread!), i will try and find the thread on the access to learning fund and bump it up for the new students this year!

durhampoker99

bestpud wrote: »

I'm afraid that any time people put someone in the position of defending what they themselves have achieved it is always likely to come across as boastful. Elitist is entirely the wrong word, look it up. Arrogant may be closer to the truth, if that is what has come across then I apologise.

Melancholly manages ok?

To be fair, Digsby managed to come across pretty well too. It was the fact he/she got the wrong end of the stick when it came to the criticsim of you that raised the responses to his/her post.

The only one who has come across as boastful and arrogant is you in fact!

You don't care to respond to my comments? Unsurprising...

Melancholly adopted an almost apologetic attitude in order to placate you all, I'm not willing to do that. In addition, he's come across well by just calling me arrogant. Easy enough for him. If you took out those bits we're basically saying the same thing, just he can target somebody easily. I don't have anyone like that...nor would I resort to doing something so weak.

melancholly

i'm not apologetic - i'm proud - i have a great degree from a great university. i just don't think it's the be all and end all - it's great and has given me advantages, but i think you rubbing your self-professed superiority in other people's faces is in very poor taste at best. i'm also a her btw and most of the posters on this thread have seen me post previously about oxbridge and know my views very well. personal insults and calling me 'weak' does not help your case!

durhampoker99

melancholly wrote: »

i'm not apologetic - i'm proud - i have a great degree from a great university. i just don't think it's the be all and end all - it's great and has given me advantages, but i think you rubbing your self-professed superiority in other people's faces is in very poor taste at best. i'm also a her btw and most of the posters on this thread have seen me post previously about oxbridge and know my views very well. personal insults and calling me 'weak' does not help your case!

It's easy though isn't it...call me arrogant and people will start eating out of your !!!!.

Go back and read my posts...I'm not trying to encourage anyone on here to apply to Oxbridge. It would be naive of me to think posts in some forum could do that. I've been to several schools in my local area promoting Oxford's access schemes. From these talks I've given I've helped a number of students from these schools with interview technique etc, all of which is in my own time during the holidays. I wonder what else I could do to help you think I'm not "elitist".

melancholly

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=179491

access to learning info on that thread.

(i'm ignoring durhampoker from now on - i advise everyone else to so that we can keep this thread about moneysaving and not about any individual's amazing contribution to the world )

durhampoker99

melancholly wrote: »

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=179491

access to learning info on that thread.

(i'm ignoring durhampoker from now on - i advise everyone else to so that we can keep this thread about moneysaving and not about any individual's amazing contribution to the world )

Well done melancholly...you've proved my point. I don't happen to fit into that neat little box you had laid out for me all the way through now, do I? Best just ignore it and return to your academia.

I know exactly which Oxbridge stereotype you fit into, the head up own @rse self-righteous group.

Agreed on keeping the topic on moneysaving though, I'll bow gracefully out into the sunset. I'll miss this thread though...what ever will I do with my spare hours at work now?

surfsister

nementai wrote: »

Either your parents are poor and you get a huge loan, or they're rich and pay for you.
Or you're like my parents, and most others, who earn enough not to qualify for any extra money but can't afford to pay your rent, food and power bills, insurance, travel home for the holidays, and tuition fees.
In that case, you eat rice for 3 years and work every second you're not physically in classes. And then hope you've got the metal to do that and get a decent grade (I was happy with my 2.2 in these circumstances).
The problem I found was that since my parents didn't qualify for the extra loan in the first place, I wasn't eligable for any of the emergency welfare loans. I did have to literally eat rice with soy sauce on its own for most meals for 3 months of my 3rd year, after I'd maxed out the credit cards, loan and overdraft. Thank Buddah for the buddhist centre, where you get a great meal for £1! The Hare Krishnas are good for this too!
I guess it depends what course you're on. Mine was a 4 year course condensed in to 3, so I did about 9-5, 5 days a week, with the odd weekend as well. With essay writing on top of that, I was very limited in working hours available, I know friends on 'easier' courses who were able to fit 20 hrs work in a week, and lived much better.
Teach your son about MSE - he'll need it!! :rolleyes:

What are the emergency welfare loans?? God Bless buddha!

Seriously I'm just lookinginto all this and it's highly confusing.

bestpud

nementai wrote: »

Either your parents are poor and you get a huge loan, or they're rich and pay for you.
Or you're like my parents, and most others, who earn enough not to qualify for any extra money but can't afford to pay your rent, food and power bills, insurance, travel home for the holidays, and tuition fees.
In that case, you eat rice for 3 years and work every second you're not physically in classes. And then hope you've got the metal to do that and get a decent grade (I was happy with my 2.2 in these circumstances).
The problem I found was that since my parents didn't qualify for the extra loan in the first place, I wasn't eligable for any of the emergency welfare loans. I did have to literally eat rice with soy sauce on its own for most meals for 3 months of my 3rd year, after I'd maxed out the credit cards, loan and overdraft. Thank Buddah for the buddhist centre, where you get a great meal for £1! The Hare Krishnas are good for this too!
I guess it depends what course you're on. Mine was a 4 year course condensed in to 3, so I did about 9-5, 5 days a week, with the odd weekend as well. With essay writing on top of that, I was very limited in working hours available, I know friends on 'easier' courses who were able to fit 20 hrs work in a week, and lived much better.
Teach your son about MSE - he'll need it!! :rolleyes:

I'm unsure what you mean by all this nementai.

Everyone gets a tuition fee loan so there is no need for any parents to pay that.

Plus I have never heard of emergency welfare loans! What are they and who provides them??

If you are talking about the access to learning fund (which is a non-repayable grant rather than a loan) then anyone who has accessed all the normal student funding they are entitled to can apply for that.

And, if you couldn't work during semseters, what about the holidays - especially over the summer? Most unis have at least 3 months off. Personally, I'd have got a bar job just one evening a week, or one of the weekend days (I'd ask for time off for the odd weekend I needed for my course) if I really was reduced to rice and worried about my health, but hey, we're all different!