how do you live off student loans if it all goes on rent

kelloggs36

The_One_Who wrote: »

Do you want to pay yet more tax to fund this free education? A university education costs so much more than £3,500 per student, per year, especially for a science or medical degree. The tuition fees only really scratch the surface of the true costs.

If the will was there the government could find the money - already mentioned earlier, there are plenty of ways they could find the cash, but they would rather pay for wars and bailing out banks to worry about education.

bestpud

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Obviously plenty of students around who aren't short of money!

That's it really though, isn't it.

It is a small group of students we are talking about here - who lack govt and family support.

On the old system, those students would have been turned away by unis as there was no help fullstop for those with families over a certain income.

At least now, they can get in without that support. Yes, they have to work, but that is common for students today anyway.

bestpud

kelloggs36 wrote: »

If the will was there the government could find the money - already mentioned earlier, there are plenty of ways they could find the cash, but they would rather pay for wars and bailing out banks to worry about education.

You are right of course. However, there is no will there - the system was set up to encourage students from non-traditional backgrounds into HE.

It was never designed to make life easier for them once they are there (although it obviously does to some extent) and it was never intended to make life easier for students like your dd.

Sadly, they don't actually want to 'help' students out and I am sure they'd fund nothing if they thought they could get away with it, and still attract all the extra students.

durhampoker99

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I can see you've not met many radical socialists! I'm you're ultimate wishy washy liberal.

And as for turning me - you must be joking! As if mature, educated adults are going to be affected by the views of an ex public schoolboy with overblown ideas of his own worth, who thinks that, just because mummy and daddy are rich and have bought him a place at Oxford, that the sun shines out of every orifice.

I suppose that the offering of proof against your "real" Labour tax idea isn't enough to turn you either. And people here are calling me ignorant?

I was bought a place at Oxford was I...ok. It wasn't the fact that I had enough of a combination of hard work and intelligence to secure a place through an admissions system that is now designed to give those from lesser schools an advantage.

In terms of inter-personal skills...I've already worked at a consultancy firm (which is fairly inter-personal as far as I can see) and involves creating real solutions for firms with real life problems. What's more common sense than that?

kelloggs36

bestpud wrote: »

You are right of course. However, there is no will there - the system was set up to encourage students from non-traditional backgrounds into HE.

It was never designed to make life easier for them once they are there (although it obviously does to some extent) and it was never intended to make life easier for students like your dd.

Sadly, they don't actually want to 'help' students out and I am sure they'd fund nothing if they thought they could get away with it, and still attract all the extra students.

I live in an ideal world you know :rotfl: :rotfl:

kelloggs36

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I can see you've not met many radical socialists! I'm you're ultimate wishy washy liberal.

And as for turning me - you must be joking! As if mature, educated adults are going to be affected by the views of an ex public schoolboy with overblown ideas of his own worth, who thinks that, just because mummy and daddy are rich and have bought him a place at Oxford, that the sun shines out of every orifice.

You wind me up sometimes, but this did make me laugh!!! Of course, I would agree but I haven't met him to finally decide whether he really IS as he comes across :rotfl:

kelloggs36

durhampoker99 wrote: »

I suppose that the offering of proof against your "real" Labour tax idea isn't enough to turn you either. And people here are calling me ignorant?

I was bought a place at Oxford was I...ok. It wasn't the fact that I had enough of a combination of hard work and intelligence to secure a place through an admissions system that is now designed to give those from lesser schools an advantage.

In terms of inter-personal skills...I've already worked at a consultancy firm (which is fairly inter-personal as far as I can see) and involves creating real solutions for firms with real life problems. What's more common sense than that?

I'm just interested, but what did you get your degree in? What did you get? Do you feel that the mere fact that you went to Oxbridge gives you an advantage over somebody else who did equally as well? I am interested, only because you may find that some (not all) employers may feel that the arrogance of some Oxbridge graduates makes them less employable. Not suggesting that you are so arrogant, but some really are and feel that their university education establishment means that they are soooo much better than everybody else, and that their hard work was soooo much harder than everybody elses. Don't take it the wrong way, but I am genuinely interested. I will admit to being a bit of an inverted snob - my hubby went to a private school and I call him a nobbo!! Teasing of course, but all you get to see are the hooray Henrys prancing about with their noses in the air lording it whilst looking down at the rest of us. Maybe it is a stereotype, I don't know but those who have been to Oxbridge have said that is what they are like.

bestpud

kelloggs36 wrote: »

I live in an ideal world you know :rotfl: :rotfl:

Me too Kelloggs!

We can dream, can't we?

bestpud

kelloggs36 wrote: »

I'm just interested, but what did you get your degree in? What did you get? Do you feel that the mere fact that you went to Oxbridge gives you an advantage over somebody else who did equally as well? I am interested, only because you may find that some (not all) employers may feel that the arrogance of some Oxbridge graduates makes them less employable. Not suggesting that you are so arrogant, but some really are and feel that their university education establishment means that they are soooo much better than everybody else, and that their hard work was soooo much harder than everybody elses. Don't take it the wrong way, but I am genuinely interested. I will admit to being a bit of an inverted snob - my hubby went to a private school and I call him a nobbo!! Teasing of course, but all you get to see are the hooray Henrys prancing about with their noses in the air lording it whilst looking down at the rest of us. Maybe it is a stereotype, I don't know but those who have been to Oxbridge have said that is what they are like.

Hee hee, don't worry as I don't think he intends to do anything that can't be counted as jobs for the boys!

Believe it or not, I am in Debretts! Through my DH though - well his mum actually!

Our children are the last generation that will go in from her line though.

Not that is gets us anywhere... :rotfl: Just makes for interesting conversation every now and again!

kelloggs36

I went to Canterbury Christchurch - got a first but wonder if I was up against an Oxbridge grad whether I would be ignored!!!