Drilling into fake wall

Steve_xx

moob wrote: »

When you swing the screen to one side or another, the weight will be on the fixings not the bath.

I've used the aforementioned plugs on my plasterboard wall with a very heavy (>15Kg) bath screen and there has been no movement.

I think it's worthwhile here to differentiate between a brick wall that is covered with plasterboard and a wall constructed of wood with a plasterboard covering(stud wall). With the former you would simply drill through the plaster and into the brick wall and insert rawplugs and this will suport a hefty weight. With the latter you drill through the plasterboard and into a void. You then insert the appropriate rawplugs and fix the item to the wall. However, you need to be very careful of how heavy the object that you are hanging is. If it's too heavy it could pull itself off of the wall since plasterboard is very weak. Ideally you need to be locating one of the wooden studs behind the plasterboard, in order to screw into and this will ensure that the item doesn't pull off of the wall.

I would not feel happy hanging a glass bath screen on a stud wall if I could not locate a wooden batten in order to secure it to.

moob_2

Steve_xx wrote: »

I think it's worthwhile here to differentiate between a brick wall that is covered with plasterboard and a wall constructed of wood with a plasterboard covering(stud wall). With the former you would simply drill through the plaster and into the brick wall and insert rawplugs and this will suport a hefty weight. With the latter you drill through the plasterboard and into a void. You then insert the appropriate rawplugs and fix the item to the wall. However, you need to be very careful of how heavy the object that you are hanging is. If it's too heavy it could pull itself off of the wall since plasterboard is very weak. Ideally you need to be locating one of the wooden studs behind the plasterboard, in order to screw into and this will ensure that the item doesn't pull off of the wall.

I would not feel happy hanging a glass bath screen on a stud wall if I could not locate a wooden batten in order to secure it to.

Fair point.

My is going through tile into the void behind the board - and no issues.

jblack_2

Personally, I'd use these fixings. They spread the load over a larger area.

http://www.screwfix.com/prods/18266/Fixings/Cavity-Fixings/Hollow-Wall-Anchor-5-x-43mm-6-13mm-Pack-of-10

leeegglestone

Steve_xx wrote: »

I think it's worthwhile here to differentiate between a brick wall that is covered with plasterboard and a wall constructed of wood with a plasterboard covering(stud wall). With the former you would simply drill through the plaster and into the brick wall and insert rawplugs and this will suport a hefty weight. With the latter you drill through the plasterboard and into a void. You then insert the appropriate rawplugs and fix the item to the wall. However, you need to be very careful of how heavy the object that you are hanging is. If it's too heavy it could pull itself off of the wall since plasterboard is very weak. Ideally you need to be locating one of the wooden studs behind the plasterboard, in order to screw into and this will ensure that the item doesn't pull off of the wall.

I would not feel happy hanging a glass bath screen on a stud wall if I could not locate a wooden batten in order to secure it to.

I wont b swinging the screen as there wont be room to do so. with it being already determined where the screen has to go, i dont think there will b a wooden batten behind the plasterboard stud wall


The screws for my fixings included are 4.2mmx3.8mm and instructions say to use 6mm drillbit.
What size wallplugs are needed so that i can get some of those plasterboard ones with ancors on otherside.

Will also need some for my Mirror & glass shelf above the sink, but probably diff size, wont know until i buy those accessories

jblack_2

If you use the hollow wall anchors you don't need any other wallplugs or screws.

J

leeegglestone

oh so u just use these anchors and screw your accessory straight into the wall without drilling?

jblack_2

1) Drill hole.
2) Put wall anchor in hole.
3) Take screw out of anchor.
4) Put screw through whatever you're fixing to the wall.
5) Tighten screw fully.
6) Job done.

DirectDebacle

Steve_xx wrote: »

I would not feel happy hanging a glass bath screen on a stud wall if I could not locate a wooden batten in order to secure it to.

I agree entirely with this. There is more to consider than whether or not a particular fixing is just going to hold something in place. Generally speaking every surface in a bathroom is a hard and unforgiving one. If you are getting out of the bath or standing in it to shower, slip and collide with the screen which comes away on impact you are at risk of causing yourself serious injury. The fixings have to be capable of more than just holding the screen in place. I see two major problems with the site conditions. First a stud wall and second the plastic cladding.

If I were quoting for this job then I would propose this, and the client wouldn't like it.

Locate existing studs in wall.
If position unsuitable remove cladding
Cut out plasterboard to centres of existing studs and insert additional studs to take screen fixings.
Replace plasterboard, cladding and fix screen to new studs.

Alternatively fit shower curtain using plasterboard fixings.

I would not use plasterboard fixings, not even the toggle type in this situation. The plastic cladding is going to, over time, trap moisture which will severely compromise the integrity of the plasterboard underneath. It might take a couple of years but this screen sooner or later is going to become unsafe.

As for the lightweight accessories these can be secured to the cladding with the supplied screws to hold them in place and use generous amounts of silicone sealant behind the fixing plates for a more secure fixing.

Heavier accessories e.g. mirror/shelf. Heavy duty plasterboard fixings, toggle are best but depends on the weight of the mirror and the weight of the shelf, bearing in mind with the shelf the weight of what you are going to put on it.

I would turn the job down if the client wanted to rely only on plasterboard fixings.

leeegglestone

oh dear, i know my dad is not sure how its going to work and is worried. so the Shower Screen is not going to work

This is the one i got

http://www.diy.com/diy/jsp/bq/nav/nav.jsp?action=detail&fh_secondid=9295717&fh_view_size=6&fh_sort_order=1&fh_sort_by=_price_rrp_min&fh_location=%2f%2fcatal!!!1%2fen_GB&fh_search=bath+screen&fh_eds=%c3%9f&fh_refview=search&ts=1219155823260&isSearch=true

if theres the chance of the screen, coming away from the wall and bring my cladding down too, idont want to chance it after all the hardwork putting the cladding on.

May look into taking screen back and having a Rail instead

leeegglestone

wouldnt those Hollow Wall anchors be sufficient?

edit- just spoke to my plumber and he says them Toggles should do the trick, gonna bring me some in.