VW car key replacement

TiTheRev

adouglasmhor wrote: »

By buying from a country where VW aren't so picky. Sounds like it's an in house form. I got a chipped key from a locksmith for my car - he was sent by the RAC, can't see the RAC taking part in a big key forging scandal to be honest.

What car was it for?

hewhoisnotintheknow

TiTheRev wrote: »

This is highly illegal and unethical. The DVLA and police monitor the keys that we supply and check that we have seen the V5 (owners documents) and at least two forms of ID that match the details on the V5.

How do you know you are not supplying theives with keys for vehicles that they want rather than the owners of the vehicle?!?

Fortunately with the VW keys, (as mentioned above), VW have a programmed code that doesnt allow uncoded keys to start the vehicle or deactivate the alarm system. Unprogrammed its just a lump of metal and plastic, but I dont know if all car manufacturers are this security conscious.

Advice for those reading this: DO NOT BUY A KEY OFF EBAY, it's illegal and wont work!!!

why is it illegal? Its just a spare part from an scrap yard, i have no idea what car it came from

I started selling them on ebay after taking a second hand car key (02 plate golf) to a highstreet locksmith, he re coded the key to my car for 40 quid

the whole effort took 30 mins and cost 50 quid all in

I dont like being called a criminal and being told i am unethical

TiTheRev

hewhoisnotintheknow wrote: »

why is it illegal? Its just a spare part from an scrap yard, i have no idea what car it came from

I started selling them on ebay after taking a second hand car key (02 plate golf) to a highstreet locksmith, he re coded the key to my car for 40 quid

the whole effort took 30 mins and cost 50 quid all in

I dont like being called a criminal and being told i am unethical

Im sorry if you dont like the label, but essentially what you are doing is wrong. As I have tried to explain above, keys are a security item and should be treated as such. If you go supplying keys to anyone without making sure they are the legal owner, or supplying blank keys with the instructions on how to make them fit a certain car, that could be used by someone less 'ethical' than the normal law-abiding citizen and be used to steal a car.

Why is that so hard to understand?!

It's great if the law-abiding citizen can save some mony and get a 2nd hand key recoded to save a few pennies, but at the end of the day you cannot guarantee that the people you are supplying are the owners of the car.

The wrong people can essentially get a key and recode it just from the registration, so you need to be careful who is sold what, hence all the checks we do as a dealer. The prosecution could come back to you for supplying the criminal with the key!!!

adouglasmhor

TiTheRev wrote: »

Im sorry if you dont like the label, but essentially what you are doing is wrong. As I have tried to explain above, keys are a security item and should be treated as such. If you go supplying keys to anyone without making sure they are the legal owner, or supplying blank keys with the instructions on how to make them fit a certain car, that could be used by someone less 'ethical' than the normal law-abiding citizen and be used to steal a car.

Why is that so hard to understand?!

It's great if the law-abiding citizen can save some mony and get a 2nd hand key recoded to save a few pennies, but at the end of the day you cannot guarantee that the people you are supplying are the owners of the car.

The wrong people can essentially get a key and recode it just from the registration, so you need to be careful who is sold what, hence all the checks we do as a dealer. The prosecution could come back to you for supplying the criminal with the key!!!

Nonsense. Total uneducated speculation. No law against what he is doing at all. Stop making things up.

naquadria

Hold on - surely by virtue of having the original key, you would be the owner, of have access to the key at all times? Why is it an issue of security getting a copy? You have an original already. Duhh? Am I alone on this one?

Do you need to take your mortgage statement, driving licence, pictures of you, in the house, outside the house, with witnesses and a policeman's written approval to have a spare house key cut? Never before for me, anyone else? And houses (mostly) are worth alot more than a car!!

Don't be conned by your management into spinning that nonsense! And as for a few pennies... more like £50 to £100 depending on make! If you read what people are saying on how to code your key, and get it cut on ebay, you will see how they "circumvent" your security procedeures... i.e, some guy in the garage has told them how to save a packet. Switch on, and help out, VW aren't exactly short of a few bob.

hewhoisnotintheknow

TiTheRev wrote: »

Im sorry if you dont like the label, but essentially what you are doing is wrong. As I have tried to explain above, keys are a security item and should be treated as such. If you go supplying keys to anyone without making sure they are the legal owner, or supplying blank keys with the instructions on how to make them fit a certain car, that could be used by someone less 'ethical' than the normal law-abiding citizen and be used to steal a car.

Why is that so hard to understand?!

It's great if the law-abiding citizen can save some mony and get a 2nd hand key recoded to save a few pennies, but at the end of the day you cannot guarantee that the people you are supplying are the owners of the car.

The wrong people can essentially get a key and recode it just from the registration, so you need to be careful who is sold what, hence all the checks we do as a dealer. The prosecution could come back to you for supplying the criminal with the key!!!

You walk into any modern locksmiths and do the same if you have the original key, this is no different from what i am doing.

Its simply a second hand car key, you can buy car keys on ebay new, second hand and from all scrap yards. I am doing nothing wrong what so ever.

If your so worried about vw security i suggest you look on the internet, it explains a lot about the flaws in VWs!

hewhoisnotintheknow

TiTheRev wrote: »

The prosecution could come back to you for supplying the criminal with the key!!!

Nonsense, its a spare key, unrelated to anything

Its like saying if i sold a second hand car and it was used to intentionally run somoene over, i could be to blame

I think you have the wrong end of the stick

loofer

In order to cut the the blade to correct spec... you would need the original (or spare) key.

Then in order to program the immobiliser you would need access to the car's immo via the OBD (On Board Diagnostics). For a VW you would also need the SKC which is a security code.

Even to program the remote to operate the Alarm/Central Locking you would need access to the car as the procedure involved putting the key into the ignition barrell.

All of the above would require access to an existing key and the car itself - something you would expect only the owner to have.

The only other scenario (this is the security aspect of where the Dealership is better) is if you trusted somebody to borrow your car but they went to a locksmith to get the keys cut and reprogrammed without showing proof of ownership as said above. But I would be cautious of giving the keys to anybody I thought capable of doing that.

Hagar_uk

Thanks to everyone who replied, in the end went down to the dealer and was quoted £150, on the face of it daylight robbery for just a key, but with all gizmos in the key, paperwork involved and labor probably a fair price. Only setback i had was paper work, as it was not my car, and had no V5 it took a bit longer than expected.