Rant about Apple - What to da about next computer

Leopard

be_alright wrote: »

Your precious Apple would not exist if it was not for the forward thinking and ingenuity of Mr Gates.

It's to its shareholders that Apple is precious.

The most telling testimony to the ingenuity of Gates is the thousands of agonised threads of grief on here, posted by people who can't get his forward thinking to work.

superscaper

Leopard wrote: »

I'm neither religious nor fanatical - and I don't buy Apple 'phones, either - but I did, to get back to a more constructive note, observe that Bill Gates himself conceded recently that Apple's strength is that it designs and builds both the hardware and the software of its products.

The assumption you criticise is your own creation. It is not, nor has it ever been, one of mine.

What assumption? And wishing someone (who wasn't even considered "evil") had never existed is pretty fanatical in my book.

To be honest as far as I can remember that's actually the most extreme thing said about Bill Gates on this forum that I've seen.

Leopard

superscaper wrote: »

The assumption that with no Microsoft, Apple computers as they exist today would be the same is as religious and fanatical as wanting Bill Gates to not have been born.

That assumption. It's yours, not mine.

Wishing the death of Gates would be fanatical.

Wishing he'd never been born is philosophical.

Idiophreak

markymoo wrote: »

2 - wait til they release a new range, wait maybe 2 weeks...buy the previous range machine, slightly slightly lower spec, cheaper price...

Not being funny, but this really isn't typical Mac user logic...Mac users want the shiney little box to show off to people...if their box isn't the shiney-est, there isn't really a point in having it.

I have to agree, to some extent, with the OP...I don't begrudge anyone their right to operate their business as they see fit, but what I find interesting is the easy ride Apple gets in comparison to MS...As far as I can see, Apple try a lot harder than MS to maintain monopolies wherever they can, hardware, software, peripherals, but never seem to end up in the same kind of trouble...

And yeah, there's nothing new about exclusive phones...it's just a notion that sits very well within Apple's set of ideals, so anyone who was surprised by them doing this was kinda living in cloud cuckoo land...It is anticompetitive, whatever you want to say - if they didn't make it exclusive, there would be competition and they wouldn't be able to keep their prices artifically high...Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just the way it is.

superscaper

Leopard wrote: »

That assumption. It's yours, not mine.

Wishing the death of Gates would be fanatical.

Wishing he'd never been born is philosophical.

I never claimed it was your assumption.

superscaper

Leopard wrote: »

Wishing he'd never been born is philosophical.

Only if it was speculative about the hypothetical scenario not a personal wish. :rolleyes:

adouglasmhor

Marty_J wrote: »

Or very well.

Ran fine on my core duo laptop in a trial I did, installing it is a bit tricky but not any harder than installing any other unix derivative from a stick.

Leopard

superscaper wrote: »

Only if it was speculative about the hypothetical scenario not a personal wish. :rolleyes:

:rotfl: Nice one.

But my personal wish is founded fundamentally upon speculation of the consequences that would have resulted from that hypothetical scenario.

(And, to be honest, I would also speculate that many of the people who have aired their Microsoft desperation in these threads :mad: have been muttering things about Bill Gates that are a great deal more extreme than what I wrote. )

vikingaero

Leopard wrote: »

Apple thinks different.

It's largely the creation of one remarkable man: it and he have their own way of going about things and it's that independence of mind that has enabled both of them to survive and to prosper.

Apple says, in effect, "This is what we make and this is how we sell it: if you don't want it, go buy a Winbox like the other sheep and spend the rest of your life in the agony threads of MSE trying to get it to work."

Apple makes good kit with good software; it complies with the law, it offers reliable warranty and it provides excellent customer service. Enjoy that or don't buy it.

Part (a large part) of its success and why its stuff works properly is precisely because it controls every aspect of the operation. It designs, builds and sells everything itself - both hardware and software - so everything it produces is compatible with everything else it produces.

The thing that worries me most about Apple is what will happen when Steve Jobs is no longer able to continue. (You only have to look at what happened to Apple when he wasn't at its helm.)

The thing I wish most about computing would be that Bill Gates's parents had never met.

The world would be a much happier and less stressful place if all its computers were Apple.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Face it. Long term Apple will turn into a behemoth like Microsoft. Look at the recent poor products like the iPhone and the service issues surrounding mobileme.

Leopard

Idiophreak wrote: »

Not being funny, but this really isn't typical Mac user logic...Mac users want the shiney little box to show off to people...if their box isn't the shiney-est, there isn't really a point in having it.

Well, this Mac user doesn't a flying f:A k what anybody else thinks about the shiny Apple boxes that sit on my desk or which they see me using in public.
I've always bought things simply because I want them myself. :EasterBun
And perhaps that's actually more typical of Mac users. (If not of iPhone and iPod users.)