Cutting it fine with MOT/Tax - Reassure me!

derrick

Wig wrote: »

You're unbelievable Derrick (don't worry Conor is the same as you, you can keep each other company), even when the legislation is put infront of your nose you refuse to accept you are wrong. Fog and or bad visibility play no part in the regulations, all that matters is that it is between sunrise and sunset, you can opt to keep your fog lamps unmasked anyway. I'm not going to repeat the info on that thread, go and read it if you want to, or on the other hand, bury your head in the sand.

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ALL lights that need testing during the MOT need to be working whilst using the public highway, so Fog and or bad visibility DO play a part, because with those lights masked and bad visibility you are committing an offence as soon as you drive on the road, and I refuse to believe that an MOT tester would even look at a vehicle with masked out lights that need testing during the MOT.

I suggest you go and lie down in a dark room for a few hours, (or preferably weeks), as your medication seems to have worn off

banger9365

where in law do's it say you have 14 days grace and i mean law not a small paragraph on a web site
there only that small paragraph that you show ,showing the 14days thing and where do's it say it in law

Wig

derrick wrote: »

ALL lights that need testing during the MOT need to be working whilst using the public highway, so Fog and or bad visibility DO play a part, because with those lights masked and bad visibility you are committing an offence as soon as you drive on the road

'Need testing' - here's a BIG hint for you, where front and rear position lamps are not fitted (to the vehicle), any lamp that is not fitted does not need to be tested.......... Go on, fall into the obvious trap.

and I refuse to believe that an MOT tester would even look at a vehicle with masked out lights that need testing during the MOT.

Were it not for the use of those words "need testing" I would have told you to ask your next MOT tester. (see above, for lamps that need not be tested)

I suggest you go and lie down in a dark room for a few hours, (or preferably weeks), as your medication seems to have worn off

Yeah, ok, I'll lie down

Wig

banger9365 wrote: »

where in law do's it say you have 14 days grace and i mean law not a small paragraph on a web site
there only that small paragraph that you show ,showing the 14days thing and where do's it say it in law

It doesn't have to say in law, the DVLA allow it before issuing an automatic penalty. If you phone them up they will confirm this to you.

The issue is whether or not you will automatically be given a penalty (BY the DVLA) if your vehicle is off the road - or going to/from an MOT appointment. The overwhelming evidence points to the fact that you will not. Not to mention the experience of all the people who have actually done this and recieved no penalty. And not one person that I have ever read about who has had a vehicle off the road after expiry has had an automatic penalty issued if they subsequently taxed or SORNd within the first 14 days. In practice its a great deal more than 14 days but we 'll stick to the official line.

As these penalties are issued by the DVLA and only by the DVLA, and the DVLA are the ones saying they won't issue them under such circumstances, I think that is good enough evidence to be able to tell the OP not to worry about getting one, don't you?

derrick

Wig wrote: »

'Need testing' - here's a BIG hint for you, where front and rear position lamps are not fitted (to the vehicle), any lamp that is not fitted does not need to be tested.......... Go on, fall into the obvious trap.


Were it not for the use of those words "need testing" I would have told you to ask your next MOT tester. (see above, for lamps that need not be tested)


Yeah, ok, I'll lie down

You can't legally drive on the road without lights that work otherwise your vehicle would not pass the MOT,( don't forget as it passes the MOT, that is the only time you can be certain it is legal, if you drive away from the MOT centre with a pass cert and your brake light,or any other light that requires testing, decides to fail,after driving over a pothole for example, you now have a car that will fail the MOT, so your test cert might only be a few minutes old, but to conform to the law you need to replace the bulb to bring it back to MOT status), you still need working lights for daytime visibility for when there is bad visibility, i.e. fog or heavy rain greatly reducing your view of the road.

Wig

FGS Derrick go and read the other thread, the legislation is absolutely clear.

(3) Nothing in these Regulations shall require any lamp or reflector to be fitted between sunrise and sunset to-
(a) a vehicle not fitted with any front or rear position lamp,

derrick

Wig wrote: »

FGS Derrick go and read the other thread, the legislation is absolutely clear.

(3) Nothing in these Regulations shall require any lamp or reflector to be fitted between sunrise and sunset to-
(a) a vehicle not fitted with any front or rear position lamp,

Try driving one on the road, I would love to hear your explanation to plod when you get pulled up, especially if it is foggy or bad visibility,(which it might not have been when you set off).

derrick

Going back to the original point of this thread,
OK I am going to sign of this thread and leave you to your ways and means,(you and I, Wig, are never going to agree on this issue), personally I will carry on as I have always done therefore making sure that I stay within the law, others will have to decide for themselves how they want to work it. I suggest that the better way to do the RFL and MOT is to have them some months apart, (mine are RFL expires at end of January, MOT expires at end of May, although I do the MOT a month before it is due, as it gives you up to a month to fix any problems that might occur on the test), and either remember the dates? or put them on a calendar or in a diary, some MOT stations will send you reminders, and DVLA might send you a reminder, although they are under no obligation to do so, and it may get lost in the post anyway, but there is always that big round sticker in the windscreen of the vehicle as a reminder.
And Wig, that goes to your rantings about lights!

Wig

Regulation 25 to which you refer, only aplies to vehicles fitted with front position lamps. Read Regulation 3 (above) again. The law recognises that if a car is not fitted with lamps, it would be impossible to turn them on.

If I got a numpty plod who decided to charge me on this, the response is simple "See you in court".

derrick

Wig wrote: »

Regulation 25 to which you refer, only aplies to vehicles fitted with front position lamps. Read Regulation 3 (above) again. The law recognises that if a car is not fitted with lamps, it would be impossible to turn them on.

If I got a numpty plod who decided to charge me on this, the response is simple "See you in court".

:wave: Goodbye Wig, go for your lie down, you sure need it.

p.s. turn your spellchecker on!