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Marty_J

moonrakerz wrote: »

1. It wasn't MS software.Your first paragraph is therefore completely irrelevant, as is half of your final comment.
2. "Scam" is the most misused word on this site- definition: "A confidence trick or confidence game, more often known as a .........., scam, .........is an attempt to swindle a person or people (known as the "mark" or sometimes "griftee") which involves gaining his or her confidence."
3. I responded to an advert, I paid my money, I got exactly what I paid for. Why is this a "scam" ?
4. If anyone wishes to use my credit card details improperly it isn't my problem - it is my card issuers.
5. The software works fully and has been successfully registered with Adobe.
6. I did read the "blurb" on their site - that is why I said I took a chance.
7. Please explain where "scam" comes into this.
8. Sounds more like sour grapes to me !

PS: I have been using BitDefender for several years now downloaded from US sites at half UK prices. BitDefender even responded to an e-mail regarding a problem that arose once. Another "scam" I presume !

You've paid for illegal pirated software that you could have downloaded yourself for free if you were so inclined.

That's why it's a "scam".

Come on, look at their terms and conditions. Does Amazon say that they think they might have the right to sell software, but if they don't it's the buyer's responsibility?

Companies who source their products for resale through legitimate channels are not in any doubt that they can sell it.

How could it be anything other than fraudulent?

EDIT: is it just me, or have half the posts in this thread vanished?

superscaper

Marty_J wrote: »

EDIT: is it just me, or have half the posts in this thread vanished?

I imagine it was to remove the links to the pirate site. Comes under "illegal topics" in the forum rules.

weegie.geek

superscaper wrote: »

I imagine it was to remove the links to the pirate site. Comes under "illegal topics" in the forum rules.

Ah, that'd make sense. Puzzled me for a second there.

Why delete the entire post, thus ruining the flow of the thread, instead of just editing the post though? Some of the moderation decisions around here baffle me.

Marty_J

My post with their quoted T&C was removed, and I'm pretty sure I didn't have a link in it. Maybe I mentioned the name of the company or something.

It'd be nice if a moderator posted that they had removed stuff, rather than creating a thread that is hard to follow for everyone else.

superscaper

weegie.geek wrote: »

Ah, that'd make sense. Puzzled me for a second there.

Why delete the entire post, thus ruining the flow of the thread, instead of just editing the post though? Some of the moderation decisions around here baffle me.

I think it's a time issue really (they have an awful lot of stuff to get through). I think the policy is to simply delete the post. To be honest it's lucky the entire thread wasn't deleted. Don't think I've ever seen mods actually edit people's posts. Although they may request someone edits their own post to give them a chance not to have it deleted. Depends on the mod probably, then again in this cas it probably wasn't one of the board mods (sra, Fran...) but the forum abuse team themselves.

chunter

Anyway, the Gimp's definitely the option. Hard to beat "free"...
Bit difficult to get your head round at first, but amazing useful once you get going.

moonrakerz

Marty_J wrote: »

You've paid for illegal pirated software

1. Can you prove that statement ? No !

2. You don't understand the meaning of the word "scam" either !

moonrakerz

superscaper wrote: »

What possible motive would I have for sour grapes .... I've seen a lot of pirate software sites and that's what this is.......... It's not some strange rule I made up but actually taken from MS's own antipiracy pages on how to detect pirated software, and was also confirmed to me by email from someone at MS last time I enquired about a site selling MS (office) software downloads.

From the comments you have made in your posts on this subject and your self-professed knowledge on this subject perhaps I could suggest that your interest in this is less than altruistic - perhaps more like self-interest !

1. You claim to know from just looking at the site that it is selling pirate software - amazing !
2. You seem to be more interested in maintaining the high software prices charged to UK customers compared to other countries - strange.
3. You seem to know just who to report your suspicions to within MS and Adobe - strange again.

UK customers are paying through the nose for their software( and jeans and trainers, etc, etc etc) and I really find it strange when people try and justify these prices - especially when they are less than open about their interest in the subject.

Fini.

superscaper

moonrakerz wrote: »

From the comments you have made in your posts on this subject and your self-professed knowledge on this subject perhaps I could suggest that your interest in this is less than altruistic - perhaps more like self-interest !

1. You claim to know from just looking at the site that it is selling pirate software - amazing !
2. You seem to be more interested in maintaining the high software prices charged to UK customers compared to other countries - strange.
3. You seem to know just who to report your suspicions to within MS and Adobe - strange again.

UK customers are paying through the nose for their software( and jeans and trainers, etc, etc etc) and I really find it strange when people try and justify these prices - especially when they are less than open about their interest in the subject.

Fini.

Well anyone who can be bothered is free to read from my post history and see what I am and I've been completely consistent (I'm a nanoelectronics engineer and phd student currently working as a software multimedia developer for an aerospace firm). Easier to be consistent when all you tell is the truth. If you can garner self interest from that I'd be amazed. I've never once said anything about having to pay high prices. I myself spent less than £40 on Office 2007 (and yes it was legal because it was MS's own website). You're already inventing things I've said and my stance on things so let's ignore point 2 as it's pure fantasy (again I've never held that stance in any of my posts in my entire time on this forum). Point 1, it's more amazing you can't see it's obviously pirated and it's not just me. If you simply read the antipiracy pages of manufacturers it's pretty obvious that all the tell tale signs are there.

And lastly point 3. I'd like to introduce you to something called "Google"...

My only interest is that I hate piracy. That's not the same thing as being anti-competition or low prices. Objecting to car theft is not synonymous with thinking car prices should be high.

isofa

moonrakerz wrote: »

From the comments you have made in your posts on this subject and your self-professed knowledge on this subject perhaps I could suggest that your interest in this is less than altruistic - perhaps more like self-interest !
1. You claim to know from just looking at the site that it is selling pirate software - amazing !
2. You seem to be more interested in maintaining the high software prices charged to UK customers compared to other countries - strange.
3. You seem to know just who to report your suspicions to within MS and Adobe - strange again.

UK customers are paying through the nose for their software( and jeans and trainers, etc, etc etc) and I really find it strange when people try and justify these prices - especially when they are less than open about their interest in the subject.

Fini.

Superscaper is not only correct, but a well respected poster of these forums.

You are correct, people in the UK do get ripped off, but that's no excuse to pirate stuff, the correct stance to take is not to buy from companies you believe are charging too much, and use alternative packages. PC Pro has been campaigning against Adobe regarding their pricing policy for a while now.

Anyone can tell from the site you posted that they are selling illegal software. I imagine it's rife with spyware too - as most "dodgy" copies are. And if someone didn't pick this up from running the basic checks, just noticing a company selling a package much cheaper than anywhere else without manuals, from a non-authorised source, probably should sound alarm bells. Let's just hope they don't have a spending spree on your credit card.

If you have passed your credit card details onto a company that is clearly unsafe or fraudulent, your bank may well not take the view it is their responsibility if your card is misused - because it may well breach their T+Cs of use - keeping your card safe etc.

Just because you responded to an advert and paid your money, does not mean you've not been scammed. I'd say most scams are run from adverts. Apparently if I send off £1000 to a "lottery" company, they'll use it as a guarantee and then write me out a cheque for £1,000,000 - do you think that's a scam? It's an advert in my inbox...

I also notice your original post regarding the site has been removed from this thread by the administrators, because it breaches forum rules as it discusses pirate software - that must have been a decision made by the site admins, not by the posters here.

Finding out who to report sites selling illegal copies of software isn't difficult, all the major manufacturers have links and articles on their websites, and on eBay there is a massive section with contacts for all companies to prevent counterfeit goods, in fact most companies have accounts to monitor eBay for this and remove auctions immediately.

On the Adobe site, entering "piracy" and clicking search brings up the main link on how to report it. http://www.adobe.com/uk/aboutadobe/antipiracy/reporting.html
That took about 2 seconds to find the information...