Disabled Parking Bays

lisyloo

While I agree with what you say about people on benefits, it does seem a contradiction to then say that if they have a number of items that appear to be expensive that they must have been acquired by some fraudulent activity!

I agree with you and I didn't phrase it perfectly (I never do)  

My main point (like yours) was that you cannot look at what strangers have in their house and make an immediate snap judgement about where it came from.

So the list should have on it:

4) acquired from debt
5) acquired from inheritance
6) acquired from lottery win.

The exact contents of the list are irrelevant.
The point is that you cannot make assumptions (unless you know a great deal about the people in question).

Perhaps the furniture and housing comforts were acquired by people getting into debt. Is it ok for people in work to do this then without any problem, but not ok as soon as you are unemployed?

In my book it is OK for people to borrow provided they are not living beyong their means and have a reasonable plan to pay it back i.e. someones level of debt needs to be justified by their income.
So it's nothing to do with whether someone is working or not.
In general I would say that a lot of the population have too much debt (both employed and unemployed people).

jpyett

With the advent of 24 hour supermarket opening do you think it is hugely wrong to take up the parent and child spaces when visiting the supermarket at silly times, say after 11pm?

How many children will there be there at that time, and if they aren't they should be in bed. There always seems to be loads of spaces spare and it seems silly to leave them that way.

But I agree, disabled spaces should be left alone.

webhamster

Well say thank you with your trolley if theres no badge , if you have a pen even better , if not a simple brick on the drivers seat will suffice to ram home the message.

I believe that the elderly and disabled (discernible by the naked eye or not) should have this concession , and they have the blue badge scheme for this very thing.However people without children do not , it is supplied purely as a marketting tool by the supermarkets and LEADS to ignorant parents using the H bays as a RIGHT.

Other "able bodied" and non parent shoppers should not be penalised or deemed a lesser citizen by longer to walk to their car than they.We have a need to shop , they can choose to do it without children with them , disabled cant leave their age/disablity at home.

The elderly need to still get some shopping to survive and remain active for a more fruitful life , they for the most part will do it during school hours , done it on foot in all weathers and before such a thing as parent bays or handicapped ones came along they done it DAILY TOO without cars.

Whats next for parents?

Cars because they have children , because the disabled have mobility cars?

lisyloo

Some of us acutally LIKE to park away from kids who open doors onto our cars.

Trix

Well say thank you with your trolley if theres no badge , if you have a pen even better , if not a simple brick on the drivers seat will suffice to ram home the message.

Shame for the disabled / elderly driver who forgot to put their badge up :-/ I really don't think it's a good idea anyway. The person who has a brick through their window is going to have an even bigger grudge against blue badge holders.

We have a need to shop , they can choose to do it without children with them.

So for the parents who work school hours and have no-one to leave their kids with you're offering a free babysitting service? And school holidays don't exist anymore eh? or do you expect people with kids to stock up on everything they need for the full of the six (or seven as last year had) weeks hols

I've said it before so if anyone has read this before they're not having a déjà vu experience. It IS a good idea to have wider bays for people with YOUNG children (under 5 years old would be my cut off rate). After this age I wouldn't expect a child to need to have the door opened wide as they can pretty much get out of a car themselves and don't need an adult to lift them out. Children should have child locks on their doors until they are old enough to open them carefully so the whole 'flinging their doors open' shouldn't matter either.
The spaces however would be best placed along the sides of car parks or next to a path so the whole 'dangerous taking them accross a car park' doesn't come into it. This wouldn't be half as inviting for non-child in car drivers.
The spaces should always have trolley bays right next to them as well so there isn't the 'should I leave child alone in the car while I take back my tolley or take it with me?' problem.

And for the people who complain about blue badge holders taking up P&C bays - get a grip. If there are no disabled spaces then they should use a P&C bay. They often NEED the wider spaces and closeness to the shop. Disabled bays are more of a necessity, P&C bays are a convenience.

one-non-blonde

Other "able bodied" and non parent shoppers should not be penalised or deemed a lesser citizen by longer to walk to their car than they. We have a need to shop, they can choose to do it without children with them, disabled cant leave their age/disablity at home.

I think you've contradicted yourself there... disabled spaces are to be welcomed but 'able bodied' shoppers shouldn't be penalised by having to walk further?? (poor things ) As for being a 'lesser citizen'?? ??? If you feel that being fit and capable of walking an extra 20m to the door somehow demeans you, then I think that's your problem and nobody else's. It's just a matter of simple courtesy, like giving up a seat on a bus... something that is all too often sadly lacking in society today.

As for choosing to shop without children... I'm sure I'm not the only person who finds that attitude a little offensive. Personally I would LOVE to be able to choose to shop without children with me (as they would as well!) but as a single parent who works school hours that's not going to happen, unless as Trix suggested you're offering a free babysitting service??

rag_doll

I had a moan to a woman working at Tesco Customer Services about this the other day. A man clearly not disabled in any way & so not displaying blue badges in his windscreen pulled in to a disabled parking bay,(in a building company's truck!!) The woman at Customer Services said that it happens all the time, the only thing they can do is ask customers to tell the people that collect the trolleys as they have stickers to put on cars that are not displaying the blue badges, trouble is people that are so thoughtless don't give a flying fig, they'd probably screw it up & throw it on the ground.

Trix

Not being funny - just bumping up two threads about disabled bay abuse to illustrate the big problem it appears to be. With three threads about it running to lots of pages it really seems to be a very emotive subject.

Both the threads I'm bumping have links to DLA including free car tax, 'Bay Watch' etc (groups trying to stop abuse of disabled bays) but I'm too busy (or lazy , take your pick) to pick them out at the minute.

aliasojo

***Note from Board Guide: I'm going to lock this thread so that there's not multiple discussions about the same subject on the go. I don't think merging the threads is suitable given how old some of the posts are, it might only serve to disrupt the flow of conversation and would be more for a new reader to wade through.***