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    • littlelady
    • By littlelady 1st Jan 08, 7:41 PM
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    Help Dvla Sorn Fine!
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    • 1st Jan 08, 7:41 PM
    Help Dvla Sorn Fine! 1st Jan 08 at 7:41 PM
    Happy new year folks ,well i have problem DVLA have sent me a letter saying that i have a eighty pound fine for late licensing .The vehicle in question was of the road and sorn for a year and two months before the sorn ran out we sold the vehicle in our local newspaper,we notified dvla of the new owners name address and date of sale,these new owners have not got the vehicle on the road or have not taxed it ,so low and behold dvla have written to me asking for this fine,i have the V11 with the expiry date for licence disc or sorn date which is a month after we sold it ,i also have a letter from dvla saying they have updated there records.why should i be made to pay a fine just because the new owners have not taxed the car /sorn it and dvla say they did not receive notification of new owner ship when i first sold the car,only after my second letter did i receive a letter from dvla of a update of there records.HELP:confused:
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    • hartcjhart
    • By hartcjhart 1st Jan 08, 8:18 PM
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    • 1st Jan 08, 8:18 PM
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    • 1st Jan 08, 8:18 PM
    if you sent notification to swansea as soon as you sold it then appeal against the fine,they are known for losing documents and I have letters from them stating that
    • flutterbyuk25
    • By flutterbyuk25 1st Jan 08, 8:43 PM
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    • 1st Jan 08, 8:43 PM
    You can submit an appeal in writing but if your first notification did not reach DVLA and your acknowledgement letter is dated after the penalty letter then it is unlikely that your appeal will be granted unless you have exceptional circumstances. This is because it states on the documentation to contact DVLA after 4 weeks if you have not received acknowledgement of the disposal. (Please don't lynch me all you DVLA-haters I'm just stating how it works!).

    If you submit an appeal before the penalty due date then the max you would pay for the penalty is £40, no matter how long it is for your appeal to be considered, which is usually 2-3weeks.

    If your acknowledgement letter is dated before the penalty letter then you just need to send a photocopy back with the penalty letter with Section A completed and then you should get an acknowlegement that the case is closed with no further action within 2-3weeks.

    If you have any evidence such as copy of the original V5C with new owner's details or recorded delivery slip for the posting of the original then include a copy of that as well if you are appealing.
    100 years from now, it will not matter what kind of car I drove, what kind of house I lived in, how much money I had in my bank account, nor what my clothes looked like, but the world may be a little better because I was important in the life of a child.

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    • gentlepurr
    • By gentlepurr 1st Jan 08, 10:14 PM
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    • 1st Jan 08, 10:14 PM
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    • 1st Jan 08, 10:14 PM
    I had exactly the same thing happen to me two years ago. i had notified dvla, and even had a cheque refund from them for the unexpired portion of road tax. i rang them up, but its not actually the dvla that you are ringing for your sorn fine, so they dont want to know, and just told me pay up or else, and if you dont pay in the next xxx (cant remember how many) days, the fine will double .

    There are words for people like them. i ended up paying, and i have heard of many more who have done the same. i could have paid up and then persued it, but i was going through a messy seperation from the ex at the time, so had other things on my mind. i would definately persue it if i were you now though.

    good luck

    xx
    "It is not uncommon for slight acquaintances to get married, but a couple really have to know each other to get divorced." - Anonymous
    • hartcjhart
    • By hartcjhart 2nd Jan 08, 1:14 AM
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    • 2nd Jan 08, 1:14 AM
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    • 2nd Jan 08, 1:14 AM
    flutterby,we cross swords again,it is not for the owner to prove that they sent the documentation,IF dvla has not processed it ,it is down to DVLA, if the OP wants to appeal I will gladly supply them with letters from DVLAA saying that they do mess up.

    I and many people are fed up with this heavy handed cobblers from govt departments stating we are god get fined,

    OP,I will as stated supply you with letters from DVLA agreeing that they lose documents,If they then wish to proceed,I will pay the costs.I am fed up with the attitude of this govt and their officials
    • littlelady
    • By littlelady 2nd Jan 08, 10:40 AM
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    • 2nd Jan 08, 10:40 AM
    Dvla Fine
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    • 2nd Jan 08, 10:40 AM
    Thanks hartcjhart for your reply,i have tryed again to phone dvla today but again was told i would have to pay,well i will not give in without a fight ,i did not send the letters to them by registered post so i cannot prove i sent them but they dont tell you to do this.Having sorn the said vehicle for a year why would i not inform them that i sold it even before the sorn ran out knowing that i could be responsible and be fined?Does anyone know the procedure when you opose the fine?
  • maverick777
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:17 AM
    WANTED:Contact Number For SORN Fines Office Please
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:17 AM
    WANTED:Contact Number For SORN Fines Office Please?

    • Wig
    • By Wig 2nd Feb 08, 10:29 AM
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:29 AM
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:29 AM
    A stumper thread, I see, notice the OP did not say if the DVLA confirmation of updated records letter was issued after the penalty letter or before.

    maverick,
    The SORN fines department give their phone number on the SORN fines letters that they send out top right hand corner. The SORN fines are dealt with by regional offices so the number I gave you London/Kent, or Cardiff, would be the wrong number for you. Don't you have a SORN fine letter to refer to? If not why do you need the number?
    • anewman
    • By anewman 2nd Feb 08, 10:51 AM
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:51 AM
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    • 2nd Feb 08, 10:51 AM
    I think we need a "Stumper" image/smilie to post in these sort of threads
  • maverick777
    I realise that the telephone number is on the letter I returned to contest the fine, I simply asked for the number. But thanks for stating the obvious. But I now have the number and the office is closed on the weekends.
    • Wig
    • By Wig 2nd Feb 08, 12:55 PM
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    Ahh, I see, yes I was annoyed also that the part to fill out is on the reverse of the letter, therefore you lose the contact details when you return the letter. I had forgotten about that.

    And it is not obvious that the form is on the reverse of the letter, hence it was perfectly reasonable that I had forgotten. Nor is it obvious that they use regional offices. How are we to know which regional office was dealing with your fine?
  • scbk
    A stumper thread, I see, notice the OP did not say if the DVLA confirmation of updated records letter was issued after the penalty letter or before.

    maverick,
    The SORN fines department give their phone number on the SORN fines letters that they send out top right hand corner. The SORN fines are dealt with by regional offices so the number I gave you London/Kent, or Cardiff, would be the wrong number for you. Don't you have a SORN fine letter to refer to? If not why do you need the number?
    Originally posted by Wig

    On the fine I had the office address was somewhere down in england and the only phone number provided was to pay the fine, and there was a note along the lines of they "couldn't discuss your case" on this phone number
    • Wig
    • By Wig 4th Feb 08, 1:50 PM
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    On the fine I had the office address was somewhere down in england
    Originally posted by scbk
    Exactly my point, they use offices spread around the UK, mine for South Wales was a London /Kent office. It then got transferred to Cardiff when I argued my case with them. I subsequently had another that was being dealt with by Swansea. My point being that they use offices (apparently randomly) around the UK rather than one central office.
    And the only phone number provided was to pay the fine, and there was a note along the lines of they "couldn't discuss your case" on this phone number
    My 3 letters all had phone numbers, which said nothing about not discussing, when phoned the number in Kent I was given a menu of options, one of which was for SORN fines, and the next menu was for registrations beginning A -G press 1, H - J press 2, K - T press 3 etc.
    • flutterbyuk25
    • By flutterbyuk25 4th Feb 08, 6:18 PM
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    Just to let you know that there are 3 main offices that deal with the Continuous Registration Fines the £40/£80 fines, known as CREC's (Continuous Registration Enforcement Centres). These are in Glasgow, Bournemouth and Northampton.

    Some of these may get filtered to a local office, of which there are approx 40 throughout UK, if the CREC offices have too many to deal with.

    There is no correlation to where you are in relation to which office your CREC fine may come from.

    CREC fines cannot be contested over the phone, an appeal must be put in writing to office that issued the letter.

    Not sure if that helps anyone but thought I'd mention it!

    x
    100 years from now, it will not matter what kind of car I drove, what kind of house I lived in, how much money I had in my bank account, nor what my clothes looked like, but the world may be a little better because I was important in the life of a child.

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    • Wig
    • By Wig 4th Feb 08, 6:36 PM
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    CREC fines cannot be contested over the phone, an appeal must be put in writing to office that issued the letter.
    Originally posted by flutterbyuk25
    But you can (or at least I could) start the ball rolling by phoning up to have a quick chat with them. Then you return the form with a covering letter.

    Theoretically I needen't have returned the form, because I knew I was correct I could have just ignored the letters, or phoned them up once to tell them so and refuse to return any forms, "see you in court". But I didn't wish to waste their time or mine.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 5th Feb 08, 9:14 AM
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    yup,dvla are helpful when you talk to them. can get loads sorted out over the phone or even better if you have a local office
    • TBeckett100
    • By TBeckett100 5th Feb 08, 10:02 AM
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    I would tell them they did the SORN. They will tell you that you didnt. ask them to confirm in writing that they do not lose anything. they wont and you should get it waived. play on the lack of proof they didnt receive it.
  • wall-banger
    Stitched up by sorn
    I had an old ford escort that was sorn, then dvla came around just after I had arranged to get the car scrapped and clamped the vehicle,which I was not allowed to remove, they then sent me a letter after they took the car for money to recover the car or it will be scrapped, great I thought it will be scrapped. Now I have an amount of £375 to pay within two weeks how do I get this sorted as I don't have any idea on how to get out of this?
    • MX5huggy
    • By MX5huggy 25th Nov 08, 1:26 PM
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    Was the Escort on the road (public)? If so you will have to pay up. How have they come to £375? Fine, plus removal fees plus storage etc etc
    • custardy
    • By custardy 25th Nov 08, 2:17 PM
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    to be clamped it would need to be on the road.
    meaning a SORn was applicable
    was it?
    if they clamped on private land then you can contest it
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