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    • LongLostFriends
    • By LongLostFriends 28th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
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    Roku Express Box or Amazon Fire Stick
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    • 28th Nov 17, 6:58 PM
    Roku Express Box or Amazon Fire Stick 28th Nov 17 at 6:58 PM
    We are on a Virgin Package which includes both Broadband and TV. We have read in an article in the Daily Mail television magazine recommending the Roku Express Box and/or the Amazon Fire stick. what extra channels films etc can you receive free with either of these items. We only have the basic TV box (not Tivo) or a Smart TV. if so which is the better.
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    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 28th Nov 17, 7:29 PM
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    • 28th Nov 17, 7:29 PM
    We are on a Virgin Package which includes both Broadband and TV. We have read in an article in the Daily Mail television magazine recommending the Roku Express Box and/or the Amazon Fire stick. what extra channels films etc can you receive free with either of these items. We only have the basic TV box (not Tivo) or a Smart TV. if so which is the better.
    Originally posted by LongLostFriends
    Most of what you ask is covered by the article. Basically listed below but others are available depending on device and most require subscriptions except terrestrial channels streaming services (but excluding ITV Hub+):

    Fire TV, Amazon Video and terrestrial channels streaming services, Netflix, Eurosport player (expensive there is other was to get it cheaper see below if required), Youtube.

    Roku box, Amazon Video and terrestrial channels streaming services, Netflix, Now TV, Red Bull TV, Rakuten TV, Youtube.

    There is also mentioned in the article, Google Chromecast which can be used for most of the above plus BT Sport (depending on supplier), Eurosport player (£30 per year or less via this method or PC etc) and many others.
    Last edited by Inner Zone; 28-11-2017 at 7:53 PM.
    • AnneMarie4687
    • By AnneMarie4687 29th Nov 17, 10:49 AM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 10:49 AM
    If you have not got a Smart Television, what are the advantages of buying either Roku Express box or an Amazon Fire Stick. What exactly do they do that is free that would improve what I already have .I presume you need a combined Television and Broadband package to be able to use these gadgets which I do.Will it make any difference if your provider is Virgin Media, BT ,Sky, Talk Talk etc. Thank you for any simple easy to understand explanation.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 29th Nov 17, 12:36 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 12:36 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 12:36 PM
    An external device is more likely to a) get software updates itself, and b) receive updates to the apps running on it. A "smart" TV is subject to the whims of the TV manufacturer ... many 2-3 years old TVs now no longer receive updates, thus some apps no longer work.

    An external device will also usually offer a much wider range of apps, to extend your viewing options. A "smart" TV will have a reduced set (and also be prone to loss of features when updates cease).

    Only some apps will depend on your provider and the package you have. e.g. BT Sports is only available via app if you subscribe to BT Sports (but is probably not so dependant on your ISP).
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    • molerat
    • By molerat 29th Nov 17, 1:39 PM
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    The box or stick replaces the "smart" bit of the TV. As mentioned above the TV manufacturers lose interest after a few years and don't update the apps. A firestick costing £25 - £35 is pretty much disposable when it gets past its sell by date unlike a £500 TV. When some of my family asked about which smart TV to get I said don't,get the best TV you can and a stick.

    You need an unlimited internet package, some of the older BT ones were limited to 10Gb, not a lot of use when you can easily get through 20 -30 a week with moderate on line TV watching !
    Last edited by molerat; 29-11-2017 at 1:42 PM.
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    • Dean'sDilemma
    • By Dean'sDilemma 29th Nov 17, 6:59 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 6:59 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 6:59 PM
    i am on A virgin Broadband/Television Package that includes catch up TV. So if my interruption is correct you gain hardly anything else, and therefore there is little benefit in purchasing either of the above fire sticks unless you pay a subscription to Amazon Prime,Netflix or Now TV.. If this is incorrect please let me, so i will reconsider, as it won't be the first (or last) time I have got something horribly wrong.
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 30th Nov 17, 9:22 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:22 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:22 AM
    i am on A virgin Broadband/Television Package that includes catch up TV. So if my interruption is correct you gain hardly anything else, and therefore there is little benefit in purchasing either of the above fire sticks unless you pay a subscription to Amazon Prime,Netflix or Now TV.. If this is incorrect please let me, so i will reconsider, as it won't be the first (or last) time I have got something horribly wrong.
    Originally posted by Dean'sDilemma
    Without knowing what you actually can receive or what you wish to view no one but you can answer that.
    • wilko116
    • By wilko116 1st Dec 17, 2:13 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 2:13 PM
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    • 1st Dec 17, 2:13 PM
    The cheap deal of £24.95 which was available at Argos, John Lewis and Currys seems to have expired, possibly just A Black Friday offer that lasted a week. It now appears to cost £39.99 everywhere. I have therefore unfortunately missed the boat. Hopefully it will be reduced again sometime in the near future. In my opinion the Amazon Fire Stick looks to me to be an infinitely better product than the Roko Express Box. Maybe someone will tell me differently!!!
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 1st Dec 17, 2:23 PM
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    I got a Fire TV Stick from Amazon for £24.95 during the BF sale period. I've already side-loaded several additional apps (Kodi, BT Sports, etc.) using Apps2Fire on my Kindle Fire 7.
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    • jshm2
    • By jshm2 1st Dec 17, 11:36 PM
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    If you have neither a smart box (in your case Tivo) and neither a smart TV then you have the choice of

    HUMAX HDR-1100S
    AMAZON Fire TV Stick
    AMAZON Fire TV with 4k
    SKY Now TV Smart Box
    NVIDIA Shield TV 2017
    or an
    Apple TV 4k

    Decide on your budget and go for it. You probably won't need to bother upgrading your TV either if it is already full HD. If you have a smart TV already then you really do not need these devices for that functionality.

    You can go for the Android Boxes but those are mostly used for piracy and many are really low quality builds.
    • dipsomaniac
    • By dipsomaniac 2nd Dec 17, 9:06 AM
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    you missed raspberry pi. main benefits cheap, versatile, no bloat and can update
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    • Lambyr
    • By Lambyr 2nd Dec 17, 11:02 AM
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    I've got an old Roku 3. There are thousands, of channels of varying quality, themes, content, etc. As you might expect, it's quantity over quality but there are some decent channels available through it depending on what you like.

    You're unlikely to find the latest movies available for free on any of them. A lot of the free movie channels show low-budget, cult and/or public domain movies supported by some ads. There is a lot of specialised content on there too - eg. fishing channels, or religious channels, or boating channels, etc. Though I've never bothered looking at those.

    I think with a Roku, you'll get a lot more out of it if you have a subscription to at least one of the major subscription services (Netflix, Amazon, Now TV). Amazon, Google Play and one or two others offer a PPV service on Roku. A Roku is also a really good client device if you ever plan to run a Plex media server but that's often an enthusiast pursuit.

    If you really like older, obscure cult B-movies and don't need everything in HD, Roku might be a decent option too. Roku supports HD but the free channels rarely offer it. Netflix, Amazon, etc. do offer HD.

    If such movies do appeal to you, Shudder TV (also available on Roku) at 4.99 a month is a superior option for horror movie fans. Newer stuff on Shudder is in HD too.
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    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 2nd Dec 17, 11:20 AM
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    If you have neither a smart box (in your case Tivo) and neither a smart TV then you have the choice of

    HUMAX HDR-1100S
    AMAZON Fire TV Stick
    AMAZON Fire TV with 4k
    SKY Now TV Smart Box
    NVIDIA Shield TV 2017
    or an
    Apple TV 4k
    Originally posted by jshm2
    That's a very short list of equipment capable of adding Smart functionality.

    Decide on your budget and go for it. You probably won't need to bother upgrading your TV either if it is already full HD. If you have a smart TV already then you really do not need these devices for that functionality.
    Originally posted by jshm2
    Smart TV apps vary between brands as to what they offer and quite often get discontinued, so additional devices may be required depending on service required.
    • Tyler Durden UK
    • By Tyler Durden UK 2nd Dec 17, 11:42 AM
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    Without paying for a streaming service or Kodi (not strictly legal depending on use) you be restricted to catch up tv apps such as iplayer / all4 etc
    • WayneTripp
    • By WayneTripp 2nd Dec 17, 11:43 AM
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    I am new to all this and not very technically adept. if on contract with Virgin Media with just the old box (not tivo) and our Television does not have a smart connection. On our contract we get the maximum number of channels including , BT sports , eurosports and some sky Channels but not sky atlantic. we also have facilities for Catch up TV. So what more would we receive free with the amazon fire stck. is still available at £24.95 anywhere,
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 2nd Dec 17, 8:02 PM
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    We are on a Virgin Package which includes both Broadband and TV. We have read in an article in the Daily Mail television magazine recommending the Roku Express Box and/or the Amazon Fire stick. what extra channels films etc can you receive free with either of these items. We only have the basic TV box (not Tivo) or a Smart TV. if so which is the better.
    Originally posted by LongLostFriends
    Amazon fire stick

    That gives you some idea as to what channels or apps available on Prime

    Or this 1 might be better

    Roku box

    That shows you whats available.

    Its all dependent on what you watch as some apps may be available on 1 and not the other.

    There's also the Now TV box and Chromecast, google for the apps included for each.

    If you have not got a Smart Television, what are the advantages of buying either Roku Express box or an Amazon Fire Stick. What exactly do they do that is free that would improve what I already have .I presume you need a combined Television and Broadband package to be able to use these gadgets which I do.Will it make any difference if your provider is Virgin Media, BT ,Sky, Talk Talk etc. Thank you for any simple easy to understand explanation.
    Originally posted by AnneMarie4687
    Well for a start the apps on the TV could at some point stop working as the TV producer stops supporting (or its cumbersome to use the app on the TV but easier to use on either device) it where as the firestick and Roku box it may be considered less likely to happen, the updating of the TV app is another option too.

    All you need to use either device is a TV and a broadband connection and both devices will connect to that.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 02-12-2017 at 8:12 PM.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 2nd Dec 17, 8:11 PM
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    I am new to all this and not very technically adept. if on contract with Virgin Media with just the old box (not tivo) and our Television does not have a smart connection. On our contract we get the maximum number of channels including , BT sports , eurosports and some sky Channels but not sky atlantic. we also have facilities for Catch up TV. So what more would we receive free with the amazon fire stick. is still available at £24.95 anywhere,
    Originally posted by WayneTripp
    All depends on what you watch.

    Do you watch BT Sports, Eurosports ?

    Check out the 2 links I previously posted, as I said there's Now TV box and Chromecast.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 02-12-2017 at 8:13 PM.
    Can people stop loaning money/being a guarator to family/friends, it rarely ends well and you lose out as your money is gone or you get shafted with being a guarantor.
    • JohnM1946
    • By JohnM1946 15th Dec 17, 11:27 AM
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    The amazon fire stick is now available at £29.95 at several retailers including Currys, Tesco and on line at Amazon. At that price I think buying one is good as it will allowsible additional options if you do not have a Smart Television
    • Inner Zone
    • By Inner Zone 15th Dec 17, 6:53 PM
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    The amazon fire stick is now available at £29.95 at several retailers including Currys, Tesco and on line at Amazon. At that price I think buying one is good as it will allowsible additional options if you do not have a Smart Television
    Originally posted by JohnM1946
    Considering it was £5 cheaper a few weeks ago is hardly a a good offer.
    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 15th Dec 17, 8:45 PM
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    If you have neither a smart box (in your case Tivo) and neither a smart TV then you have the choice of

    HUMAX HDR-1100S
    AMAZON Fire TV Stick
    AMAZON Fire TV with 4k
    SKY Now TV Smart Box
    NVIDIA Shield TV 2017
    or an
    Apple TV 4k

    Decide on your budget and go for it. You probably won't need to bother upgrading your TV either if it is already full HD. If you have a smart TV already then you really do not need these devices for that functionality.

    You can go for the Android Boxes but those are mostly used for piracy and many are really low quality builds.
    Originally posted by jshm2
    HUMAX HDR-1100S - needs a dish, it's a Freesat box. If you have a Sky dish, it may need a new LNB:
    https://www.freesat.co.uk/help/using-your-existing-satellite-dish/

    That is what I bought and fitted, when I left Sky and bought a HDR-1100S.
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