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    inapicklepleasehelp
    Parking fine from UKPC (private company - not local authority!)
    • #1
    • 15th Sep 07, 12:02 PM
    Parking fine from UKPC (private company - not local authority!) 15th Sep 07 at 12:02 PM
    I need help...

    I'm in a bit of a grey area! I'm heavily pregnant and suffering from SPD (a condition that affects the hips) I am now unable to drive at all but two weeks ago I was photographed in a disabled bay in a private car park. I would never normally use these bays as I feel strongly that they are a requirement for the people that need them, however, the week before I had to wait 2 hours for the driver parked next to me to return to his vehicle as I couldn't open my door wide enough to access my vehicle. Before parking there I drove around the car park looking for an end space so that I wouldn't have to use the disabled bay but there were none vacant, as there were no mother and baby spaces either I felt I had no other choice.

    I was under the impression that disabled parking bays in private car parks were advisory only but I have received a parking charge from UKPC of £45 going up to £90 if not paid within 14 days.

    Should I dispute this? I can of course provide a medical certificate to my condition and my numerous referrals to physiotherapy and proof of my chiropracty treatment.
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    • globalds
    • By globalds 15th Sep 07, 12:33 PM
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    globalds
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    • 15th Sep 07, 12:33 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 12:33 PM
    It seems lots of people aren't happy with the way this company operates .Have a look on this web site ....The thread is under the big advert..it is another site a bit like Money saving expert.The link is here http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-wardens/63235-ukpc-parking-fine.html
    It seems threatening people is a tactic they employ as a first response .
    It may take some reading ,but should either empower or enlighten you ...
    It does seem ignoring their threats ..although worrying, may be the simplest way of not paying ...good luck
    If you want to phone them ..They won't want you doing this ..The number with a person on the end is here.

    UKPC'S NUMBER?
    iTS 08702283344
    Last edited by globalds; 15-09-2007 at 2:51 PM.
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  • Hapless
    • #3
    • 15th Sep 07, 2:26 PM
    • #3
    • 15th Sep 07, 2:26 PM
    I need help...

    I was under the impression that disabled parking bays in private car parks were advisory only but I have received a parking charge from UKPC of £45 going up to £90 if not paid within 14 days.
    Originally posted by inapicklepleasehelp
    If they request that disabled badges are to be on display and you do not have one then unfortunately you should not have used a disabled bay. could you not get a temporary parking badge from the council? I know some councils will issue them.
    The "Bloodlust" Clique - Morally equal to all. Member 10
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    • sarahg1969
    • By sarahg1969 15th Sep 07, 2:36 PM
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    • #4
    • 15th Sep 07, 2:36 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 2:36 PM
    If they request that disabled badges are to be on display and you do not have one then unfortunately you should not have used a disabled bay. could you not get a temporary parking badge from the council? I know some councils will issue them.
    Originally posted by Hapless
    This is irrelevant in a private car park. OP, I have replied to your thread in the other forum.

    DO NOT PAY!!!!!!

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=22678&hl=ukpc
    Last edited by sarahg1969; 15-09-2007 at 2:38 PM. Reason: ETA link to information re UKPC
  • Hapless
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    • 15th Sep 07, 4:34 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 4:34 PM
    This is irrelevant in a private car park. OP, I have replied to your thread in the other forum.

    DO NOT PAY!!!!!!

    http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=22678&hl=ukpc
    Originally posted by sarahg1969
    If the sign says disabled badges must be shown then the reply was not irrelevant.
    I am fed up with people abusing blue badge parking bays in public and private car parks!
    Don't park in disabled bays if you do not have a legal blue badge...simple enough for you sarahg1969???????
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  • Butlers1982
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    • 15th Sep 07, 5:27 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 5:27 PM
    Should I dispute this? I can of course provide a medical certificate to my condition and my numerous referrals to physiotherapy and proof of my chiropracty treatment
    Are you registered disabled? If not then you shouldnt have parked in a space.

    With reference to people telling you not to pay- wake up and smell the coffee. Your in the wrong, you shouldnt be parking in the wrong bay
    • globalds
    • By globalds 15th Sep 07, 11:45 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 11:45 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 11:45 PM
    Are you registered disabled? If not then you shouldnt have parked in a space.

    With reference to people telling you not to pay- wake up and smell the coffee. Your in the wrong, you shouldnt be parking in the wrong bay
    Originally posted by Butlers1982
    The parking in a disabled spot is not the issue .
    The question of whether a penalty can be charged by a private company on private land is the point we are adressing ...It seems this company is not prepared to fight in court the legality of this ..Although it seems to be quite happy to use it's debt collection subsiduary to threaten law abiding folk with County court and debt colllectors.
    All we are advising is give it back to them ..Let them take you to court ...The very threat they make is it seems the very thing they won't do ..they are breaking the law not you ...
    Speak when you are angry--and you will make the best speech you'll ever regret

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    • sarahg1969
    • By sarahg1969 15th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
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    • 15th Sep 07, 11:49 PM
    No, no, no, you should not pay.

    You should not have parked in the space, and if this were a council car park, then you would be bang to rights, I'm afraid.

    But the issue of the blue badge is irrelevant, as you have not been fined. You have received an invoice for the alleged breach of a purported contract between you and the owners of the car park.

    I can't understand why anyone would think you should pay these people some money for nothing. They have lost nothing, so you owe them nothing.

    I can see that the matter of disabled spaces is a very emotive one, but I still don't see the reason for anyone telling you to accept your "punishment". Why, oh why, would you want to send money to a private company that makes money out of this kind of thing - they don't do it as a service to the public - it is a money-making business.

    If you've got a spare £90 knocking about, PM me and I'll tell you my address - I'll have it.

    What you need to do is to go to pepipoo.com and look on there. They will confirm for you that you HAVE NOT BEEN FINED. It really is that simple.

    Sarah
  • sharron123
    • #9
    • 19th Aug 08, 6:11 PM
    parking fines
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    • 19th Aug 08, 6:11 PM
    my daughter parked on a pub car park and ran into a shop oppisite to get change for the machine, she was gone 5mins max, on her return she had a ticket for £90, no less if you pay early. she was so upset she came straight home, we appealed in writing right away, and recieved a reply of "appeal denied please pay £90 immediatly" . that was all we recieved any one with advise of what to do next would be grateful
    thanks
    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 19th Aug 08, 8:43 PM
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    peter_the_piper
    A pity she bothered to appeal. They never, ever accept any appeal. why should they, all they want is her cash. If you go to the pepipoo website and ask the same as above they will help and reassure you both.
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on Summer.
    • Horace
    • By Horace 19th Aug 08, 8:48 PM
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    Horace
    I need help...

    I'm in a bit of a grey area! I'm heavily pregnant and suffering from SPD (a condition that affects the hips) I am now unable to drive at all but two weeks ago I was photographed in a disabled bay in a private car park. I would never normally use these bays as I feel strongly that they are a requirement for the people that need them, however, the week before I had to wait 2 hours for the driver parked next to me to return to his vehicle as I couldn't open my door wide enough to access my vehicle. Before parking there I drove around the car park looking for an end space so that I wouldn't have to use the disabled bay but there were none vacant, as there were no mother and baby spaces either I felt I had no other choice.

    I was under the impression that disabled parking bays in private car parks were advisory only but I have received a parking charge from UKPC of £45 going up to £90 if not paid within 14 days.

    Should I dispute this? I can of course provide a medical certificate to my condition and my numerous referrals to physiotherapy and proof of my chiropracty treatment.
    Originally posted by inapicklepleasehelp
    To park in a disabled bay where ever it is you need to display a blue disabled badge. If you are disabled maybe you should apply for DLA and in particular the mobility part of it.

    If the appeal to the company has failed then contact the national parking appeals people and appeal to them stating the reasons why you were parked in a disabled bay - they may take note of your medical condition.

    Anyway, there should be signs in place saying clampers at work - people have a right to employ the services of a clamping company if they are troubled by people parking without paying. If there are no signs, speak to your trading standards dept.
    Last edited by Horace; 19-08-2008 at 8:51 PM.
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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 19th Aug 08, 9:06 PM
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    peter_the_piper
    Unfortunately there is no national parking appeals service which applies to PPC's and trading standards will not be in the least interested. The BPA are only a club for private parking companies and are not that interested in the public. There are legal eagles on the sites mentioned above who are only too willing to help people out. You will probably be advised to ignore them as nothing will come of it in the long run. This does not apply to police and council tickets which must be taken seriously but still can often be cancelled if you know how to go about it, this is where these sites can really be useful.
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on Summer.
    • Horace
    • By Horace 20th Aug 08, 11:55 AM
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    Horace
    To be honest with you I get annoyed with people like the OP who choose to park in a disabled bays be they on private land or not when they are not disabled. It is not her right to park there - by doing so she has prevented an employee or whatever from going to work and attending to their business.

    It is her responsibility to check for signage relating to parking times, whether or not clampers are in operation. Ignorance is no defence I am afraid nor is being pregnant.

    I have a disability but I do not get DLA and do not have a blue badge and there is no way on this earth that I will ever park in a disabled bay - I am considerate towards those who are genuinely disabled.
    Semper in faeces profundum variat

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    • peter_the_piper
    • By peter_the_piper 20th Aug 08, 12:35 PM
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    peter_the_piper
    I could not agree more with that and go out of my way to ensure I don't park in the wrong place. That does not, however, give the PPC the right to try and fool the public into paying extortionate amounts for transgressing. If the amount charged went in any way to the staff or disabled it would not be so bad. The money only goes into their pockets and does not help the disadvantaged. A local pub clamps non customers and the release fee of £20.00 goes to the local hospice, that at least is acceptable.
    Millies gone back to Thailand, Roll on Summer.
  • Jez Wolf
    Horace - which law states that you need a blue badge to park in disabled spaces in a private car park?

    Replying to these Private Parking Companies only encourages them to continue their threatening letters.

    By replying, you are classed as a "hooked fish" who might pay up in the face of ever more ludicrous threatograms.
    • mpython
    • By mpython 20th Aug 08, 1:26 PM
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    mpython
    Horace - which law states that you need a blue badge to park in disabled spaces in a private car park?

    ......
    Originally posted by Jez Wolf
    Commercial Contract Law you agreed to in using the private car park?

    Anti Social Behaviour Orders?

    Common Curtesy?

    Disability Discrimination Act?
    • maninthestreet
    • By maninthestreet 20th Aug 08, 2:11 PM
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    maninthestreet
    I don't think the Disability Act outlaws parking in a disabled parking space on private or even public land.
  • Jez Wolf
    Mpython - "Anti Social Behaviour orders" - please explain/expand

    Also "Common curtesy" [sic] - is not a law as I understand it.

    And re: Commercial Law - where is the consideration necessary to validate a contract?
    Last edited by Jez Wolf; 20-08-2008 at 7:20 PM. Reason: late ideas added
    • mpython
    • By mpython 21st Aug 08, 2:37 PM
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    mpython
    I don't think the Disability Act outlaws parking in a disabled parking space on private or even public land.
    Originally posted by maninthestreet
    I disagree, I believe it applies to private & public organisations. RM accepted their culpability here.

    Last edited by mpython; 21-08-2008 at 2:43 PM.
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    • mpython
    • By mpython 21st Aug 08, 2:42 PM
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    mpython
    Mpython - "Anti Social Behaviour orders" - please explain/expand

    Also "Common curtesy" [sic] - is not a law as I understand it.

    And re: Commercial Law - where is the consideration necessary to validate a contract?
    Originally posted by Jez Wolf
    Jez,

    Anti-social behaviour orders canbe sought for all manner of ant-social behaviour, including parking in disabled bays.

    Commerical law, see posts passum, there are plenty of examples people being taken to court by these companies. There are, of course ways to defend yourself - again see posts passum.

    I'm not sure why you're questioning the law of common curtesy, what type of society do you want to live in? May I ask whether you think its acceptable for able bodied drivers to park in marked disabled driver bays - whether they've been provided by Tesco or the Council?
    Last edited by mpython; 21-08-2008 at 2:46 PM.
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