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    • Littlebit14
    • By Littlebit14 13th Jul 16, 12:32 PM
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    Advice on a FPN for littering
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    • 13th Jul 16, 12:32 PM
    Advice on a FPN for littering 13th Jul 16 at 12:32 PM
    Hi, I'm trying to get advice on behalf of a friend of mine who was issued with a fixed penalty notice for littering yesterday. Basically she was feeding pigeons in a town centre in order to try and get a better look at a couple that were obviously wounded (she runs an animal rescue that deals with small pets and wildlife). She didn't see until after she was issued the penalty notice that there are some signs saying don't feed the birds so she had no idea she was doing anything wrong. There was a man watching her at the time but he didn't approach, speak to her, ask her to stop what she was doing or anything until she made to leave at which point he issued her the notice. It states she 'did purposely litter food on to the ground and walked away leaving it on the pavement' - well food in question was wild bird seed and she left when it had all been eaten!

    The notice says she needs to pay £80 within 14 days or the fine goes up to £2500, what I'm trying to help with is finding out where she stands on contesting this as the only advice we can find online relates to parking. Thanks for reading.
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    • Ectophile
    • By Ectophile 19th Jul 16, 8:36 PM
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    It's not ambiguous if there's a sign nearby saying "Don't feed the birds".

    It's a fair cop, tell her to pay the fine. I wouldn't tell a friend anything that might cause her to decide to stick her heels in and thereby cost her £2,420 or more.
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    Just because somebody chose to put up a sign saying "Don't feed the birds", it doesn't mean that it is a criminal offence to feed birds there.

    People can stick up any sign they like - that doesn't mean it's enforceable.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 20th Jul 16, 10:25 AM
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    It also doesn't rule out the possibility that it IS enforceable
    Originally posted by daytona0

    Exactly.
    If a council has gone to the expense of getting signs erected, there is a fair possibility that there will something in place to enforce what those signs are trying to prohibit.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 20th Jul 16, 10:35 AM
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    There are always going to be new and over zealous enforcement people, they are probably on targets and being pushed to get more results. I blame the system that created these targets.
    • bod1467
    • By bod1467 20th Jul 16, 1:43 PM
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    Exactly.
    If a council has gone to the expense of getting signs erected, there is a fair possibility that there will something in place to enforce what those signs are trying to prohibit.
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    That doesn't mean it's a probability though. It's not unheard of for councils to put restrictions in place without getting the legalities sorted first.
    • Tiarose
    • By Tiarose 15th Oct 16, 3:07 AM
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    Just thought I'd pop back and update - she successfully got the fine cancelled. Thanks all.
    Originally posted by Littlebit14
    Hello, I have a similar problem now, would you kindly advise what your friend wrote in her appeal letter?
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 26th May 17, 10:14 PM
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    I was once threatened by the Council for having an overgrown garden, by reference to legislation which applied only to cut crops. "No further action."

    I think the key point is : "walked away leaving it on the pavement" ; and if that had been the case, the man could have photographed it.
    If the feeding was the problem, they would probably take video evidence ; but then we must ask why the man allowed this heinous crime to continue. Some people cannot read, and some people cannot read English.
    • IAmWales
    • By IAmWales 26th May 17, 10:23 PM
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    Geoff,

    Please stop rehashing old threads!
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 29th May 17, 11:47 PM
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    If there is a cut-off date, I must have missed that. Is there a general rule anywhere about such things ? I've only been on the forum 2 weeks.

    I thought I was contributing ; and if people aren't interested in a thread, they can easily unsubscribe from it.
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 30th May 17, 8:34 AM
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    Necromancing old threads is not good forum etiquette. These forums are busy enough without old threads crawling out of the grave.
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
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    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 30th May 17, 4:25 PM
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    If there is a cut-off date, I must have missed that. Is there a general rule anywhere about such things ? I've only been on the forum 2 weeks.

    I thought I was contributing ; and if people aren't interested in a thread, they can easily unsubscribe from it.
    Originally posted by Geoff1963
    Newbie posters who rake up old threads are generally regarded as people trying to increase their post count with the possibility of later making spam posts or trolling. There are plenty of current posts to which you can contribute.
    • Geoff1963
    • By Geoff1963 31st May 17, 11:40 PM
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    I had experience of an unjustified Council compliant, which I successfully defended ; but didn't think it warranted a new thread, so added it to this one.

    If someone is trying to increase their post count, why not force them to keep making long posts about a subject on which they must claim some interest and knowledge ? Complaining at them, so they only have to write a brief reply, makes it easier for them to increase their count.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 1st Jun 17, 4:06 PM
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    I had experience of an unjustified Council compliant, which I successfully defended ; but didn't think it warranted a new thread, so added it to this one.
    Originally posted by Geoff1963
    If it was a recent issue, definitely worth starting a new thread to share your experience. If an older issue then add it to a relevant current thread when one appears. No need to drag up old threads.
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