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Advice on moving out of London

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  • jackyann
    jackyann Posts: 3,433 Forumite
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    Although I have only lived in around one area for 90% of my life, I do have many friends & relatives with mixed experiences.

    These are the things I would look at:

    Do you have any connections anywhere and would that make a difference?
    Do have an area of the country that feels good to you when you visit?
    I don't share GreyQueen's experience, but I think different parts of the country differ greatly. In many parts of the south (and a few north) villages are seen as "life style choices" rather than communities.
    Whilst I agree about the renting, I would take a step further back.

    I would begin by taking short breaks in areas you think might be likely. Drive around, buy the local paper, poke about a bit.
    Then take a week or two's holiday there. See what sort of things you might join in with if you lived there. Go to the pubs, use the leisure centre, join in with some activity.
    After that I would consider renting.

    I would set yourself a time limit after retirement to find somewhere (maybe 2, or 3 years) If it hasn't worked out, then stay where you are with a positive attitude.
    I have had 2 lots of friends who have been "looking" for over 10 years - it actually means they don't really do anything.
  • Horace
    Horace Posts: 14,426 Forumite
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    I spent some time living in London but much prefer my home town of Birmingham. I live on the outskirts of the city in a mid terraced ex-council house that was built in the 1953, it has a huge garden out back (with plenty of growing room and room for chickens if I chose to have them) and the house has 2 large bedrooms and is quite roomy (small kitchen though with its old pantry).

    I have a large park on my doorstep and I am close to the countryside, I am near the motorway (but not on top of it so I don't hear any traffic noise), I have good transport links both bus and train - so I can go anywhere.

    I have a good variety of shops within walking distance - close to a village one way, the other way I have a new town centre with shops and eateries, with another town centre that I can get to by bus plus the city centre that I can either access by bus or train.

    Living here I feel as though I get the benefit of countryside living yet have access to the city centre if I need it. The road where I live is quite peaceful and I get a variety of wildlife visit my garden: foxes, badgers, squirrels, a variety of wild birds including herons.

    I live in Rednal, Birmingham and I love it. I don't miss London at all.
  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
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    Caterina wrote: »
    Thank you all, so far you are telling me things that I had already thought about, but it is really interesting to read the individual experiences, including Gilly1964's uncle and aunt, the issue about transport and familiarity with the facilities of a city. It will all go on the weighing scales when we finally decide.

    Above all, I am grateful for your responses because I shall show DH all of them and he can also use other people's experiences to think about this. He is village born and bred but lived in London most of his adult life. I was city born and bred (Rome) and lived in London longer than I have lived in Italy, so our experiences are mixed.

    What about a smaller city or a cultural town?

    We moved a few years ago from somewhere VERY rural to somewhere rural but less so. It was a compromise, and we live with it. The benefits are better access to transport and town facilities, ( we have choice of restaurants even!). The other aspect for us is that my husband works in London. We are within an hour and. Half of London, and the aim is I will get well enough one day to resume socialising in London semi regularly.

    We don't often talk about retirement for both of us because its not that likely :o but I consider that if it were it would be possible for us to stay here financially, but .....probably unlikely. I wouldn't mind London, but think it more likely we'd end up in a little town/ big village with good restaurants and cultural life and train links, or a small city ...somewhere like Bath ( but probably not bath) . A 'property swap' value for value should give us some choice I hope.

    Fwiw DH is Anglo Italian, school there though, and I think things like the difference in how things are regionally appointed ( culturally, commercially, is worth considering...depending on your interests and shopping habits. Being near somewhere where we could buy real bread and vegetables and and meat from a butcher and fish from a fishmonger were all important to us. We need a car for most of these though. The fishmonger is a twenty minute drive away.


    Otoh, we are also within twenty minutes of an outstanding cultural facility, and an hour each way of two cities.

    We did look at meet up for some Italian speaking groups, particularly some with mother tongue speakers just for occasional meet ups, and there is one but its based on the far side of one of the cities and is all Brits learning Italian.... In no way does my DH want to be part of an Italian speaking ghetto where we live, just to have some.......linguistic and cultural outlet in a place that assumes he is Brit.

    Pushed I would always choose truly rural over urban, and I think London is an amazing city, one of my favourites in the world.
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    CATTIE sometimes you just have to follow your dreams, there is a time to be feet on the ground sensible, there is a time to be cautious and responsible, there is a time to be frugal and careful but if your soul has a need there is also a time to trust in God that your decisions are the right ones and try your luck. I guess there are lots of folks who didn't take that chance and have regretted it ever since, don't be one of them. Unless you try you'll never know if it would be good or not!!! Be brave and you might just end up happier?
  • elaine241
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    Caterine just thought I'd put my twopenneth in! I was brought up in Sussex, living in a middle sized town but with a huge garden, a mum that grew loads of fruit and veg and a hobby that involved falling off horses!
    I lived in Brighton whilst at uni and then moved to darkest South Wales where my folks had decamped to. They had bought somewhere with a few acres for horses, pigs, goats, hens, duck etc with orchard and veg patch. They lived in the sticks but within a couple of miles of Abergavenny a bustling market town.
    The only pointers I can offer is from our own experiences;
    1. its a pain to drive everywhere or be driven if you dont drive. There is very little or no public transport.
    2. The countryside is noisy and often smelly or both! During busy times tractors and machinery can go 24/7 in a field next to you or up and down the roads.
    3. You do have to make the effort to meet people although shared interests usually offer an opener.
    4. Country pursuits can be "alien" to people who move into the area, I'm talking hunting (on horses or with guns/dogs), shooting as in pest control and fishing. I'm fine with all three but its not for the squemish or "PC", I had two pheasants newly shot left as a welcome present!
    5. I would not swap it for the world! You just have to appreciate different things, the persistant robin that pecks the window until you put food out, the daily changes to the scenery, the lack of traffic hum, swapping rude drivers for mad locals who say hi whilst whistling past you in the lane (you'll get used to diving into the hedge or reversing).
    6. You need to be prepared (see SHTF thread) you cant nip to the shop easily so you need to keep in supplies. My mum a snowaphobe! used to ensure she had enough loo paper, UHT milk , candles, food etc etc to not put her nose out the door for several weeks if neccessary! We had a multi fuel cooker and open fires to ensure warmth, cooking and hot water in the event of no power, generator to run the freezer and enough blankets and thermals to hibernate in!

    I hope you follow your dream but still have plan B if you dont like it. The farmers around here have a saying its not escape to the Country its p*ss off back to the town! (not personal!!) E.g. the solicitors who moved in next to my friends farm and then wrote furious complaints letters due to the smell and noise, it was a chicken farm, been there for forty + years!



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  • krlyr
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    How about looking closer to home? I'm in Surrey, 40 minutes from Waterloo by train, 5 minutes from an M25 junction, yet I have multiple empty fields (some with cattle, some just left wild) behind my house. OK, budget meant we're a bit more built up than I'd like (terrace at the end of a cul-de-sac) - but OH quite likes it. However, we moved here from a rented property that was only 2 or 3 miles down the road, but smack in the middle of a farm, visitors and delivery people always commented on how they never even knew that the farm was there despite living in the same town for years. One semi-detached neighbour, but other than that, very quiet - yet with electricity, Sky, and only a 3 minute drive into town.

    Lots of the greater London & slightly further out counties have plenty of expanses of greenery, which could be a compromise between London and the middle of nowhere.
  • moneyistooshorttomention
    moneyistooshorttomention Posts: 17,940 Forumite
    edited 15 December 2014 at 7:20PM
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    Elaine does make a point re slight cultural differences that raise their head once in a while.

    I don't agree personally with the whole hunting/shooting etc thing and was surprised to find that there are odd occasions when it raises its head here and I just avoid those. There isn't a lot of times when that impinges imo. In Home Area someone would likely get "run out of town" quicksharp at any overt signs of anything like that, but here I recall an incident where it took me a while to see past the confident demeanour of someone who had started chatting to do a mental doubletake that they were wearing an item of clothing with the logo of the local hunt there on (and it wasn't a tiny little thing either). I just promptly shut my mouth, whilst my mind was boggling that they seemed to be sublimely unaware that that would raise any "thoughts" at all about them in the minds of many people. I was "biting my tongue" hard:cool:

    As for dead pheasants being left as a welcoming present...I would have found that difficult. My first thought would be more along the lines of "M*fia leaving horses head in bed to say 'go home now' ", rather than "Oh look...its a welcome to new home present" and I would have been rather embarrassed and quizzing friends as to how best to interpret the gesture and how to best respond to it and it would probably have consisted of promptly binning those pheasants and just smiling sweetly and saying "Thank you" and moving swiftly on to a "safer" topic of conversation the next time I saw the giver and hoping they realised I hadn't taken offence/but hadn't been grateful either and was just hoping they'd think "each to their own" and never repeat it...

    Thankfully...I'm not that rural that something like that has come up....:rotfl:
  • moneyistooshorttomention
    moneyistooshorttomention Posts: 17,940 Forumite
    edited 15 December 2014 at 7:35PM
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    Having said all the above...the plus sides are actually spotting a lot of stars in the sky at night (rather than them virtually obliterated by street lights), fresher air to breathe, personally I think I'm 'slowing down' to taking time to contemplate the view, its safer here, I don't get it thrown in my face on a daily basis that the population is being allowed to "explode" by politicians who simply don't live in the Real World and have to cope with loads more people around the place/loads more people demanding access to the same level of facilities/etc.

    It is very much horses for courses and it must help a lot if you have a genuinely free choice about whether to move or no - rather than having to (ie because you cant get your level of home in your home area). There is an absolute world of difference between a voluntary choice and a compulsory "choice".

    Personally, I would say that there is a rough rule of thumb that goes "The smaller the area, the more inward-focused the person living there has to be". If you are someone who needs/expects a high level of external stimulus, then you need to be somewhere "bigger" and more urban. You have to have more "do it on your own" type interests etc to be able to live in a smaller area, as you will be thrown back more onto them. In a bigger place...you can always just get "out and about" and try out whatever-the-latest-thing-is. In a smaller area, they probably don't even want to know what that is - or at least not sufficient people for it to be given a try.

    If you want the latest fashions in clothes/possessions/food/THOUGHT don't pick a smaller area. If you are a more inward-oriented type person then probably do pick a smaller area.

    Where I am now, there is a lot more "creative" type activity going on than I was used to in a much bigger place. Which came first? - the chicken or the egg. Are more creative people attracted here in the first place or do people come here and think "Now what do I do in lieu of loadsa places to go etc?"

    We probably all have an "ideal for us place" and mine personally is probably Lewes...but their house prices are stratospheric level compared to Home Area even...and there will be few people that can afford that...so we all take the "most apt for us personally" that we can get.
  • thriftwizard
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    The pheasant present thing happens here too, in the more rural parts of the district. I'd be dead chuffed & cook 'em (without hanging) but most of my menfolk would refuse to eat them - they always think it's roadkill when I serve up pheasant, even though mostly it comes from the local butchers.

    Not all genuine country people love hunting, BTW. I'm a poultry keeper but it's up to me to keep my birds safe; the fox is only after feeding his family too. I wouldn't go sabbing but I will (and always have) argue my point that it's not necessary, it's atavistic and dangerous; I've known too many good horses die from an unlucky jump and one of my childhood friends is in a wheelchair because of it.
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  • GreyQueen
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    :) I'd be pretty happy with a brace of freebie pheasants. And you can always impress your onlookers by how badass you are by dismantling them barehanded. Not a lot of meat on them, I like them casseroled. Have accidentally hunted many a pheasant with the ole ford fiesta.

    Last month I was at a family funeral at the village where Dad and his sis grew up. No end of people from the bowls club as well as the extended family, and there was quite an overlap. This is a very large village, several thousand people. Most of whom have been there all their lives and whose families have been there, and in adjacent villages, for several centuries.

    In a way it's nice, the sense on continuitiy, of being known as part of a family rather than an atomised individual met out of context. But you're always someone's grand-daughter, daughter, neice etc, never really a person in your own right. That bit stifles me. I wouldn't want to live there.

    It's academic anyway as the older generation of the family are passing now, and the next generation down had to leave village life for work and affordable accomodation. My village family are losing their foothold in the countryside due to economic forces beyond our control and everyone under 50 is in a town or a city, or trying like mad to escape rural poverty and get to one or the other.

    The incomers who do settle into village life tend to be the very sociable, clubbable types who are happier out and about than indoors. I've had friends who moved to villages in pursuit of the good life and found it anything but.

    My own preference is a small city which functions more like a market town than anything else. Most people know someone who knows you, so you can't get away with a lot unless you want it all over town before you make your way back to your home the following morning.

    :o Allegedly, I mean.
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