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It's getting worse - How do i get a Credit Agreement
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debtman2007
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Ok, things have been going badly for me this week. Then yesterday i went to visit my sister(where i used to live) There was a pile of post for me. The was usual junk but also letters from HFC bank. They said i had not paid and my account is in arrears.
I phoned them when i got back home. I gave them the account number of which they have no record. So i gave my old address and name and they found on system that i have £2800 owing. I don't know anything about this. I asked for some form of agreement/paperwork and they said they dont have any as it dates back to 2001.
I phoned CCCS staight away because they are in the process of setting up a DMP and i dont want this extra debt to jeopardise that. They were very helpful and said i should request a credit agreement. I'm sure i have seen a template on here before. She said allow 14 days and send it recorded delivery.
Should i disclose my new address?? i dont really weant any further correspondance going to my sisters.
Can anyone offer any advice please. Not sure how much more of this i can take.
I phoned them when i got back home. I gave them the account number of which they have no record. So i gave my old address and name and they found on system that i have £2800 owing. I don't know anything about this. I asked for some form of agreement/paperwork and they said they dont have any as it dates back to 2001.
I phoned CCCS staight away because they are in the process of setting up a DMP and i dont want this extra debt to jeopardise that. They were very helpful and said i should request a credit agreement. I'm sure i have seen a template on here before. She said allow 14 days and send it recorded delivery.
Should i disclose my new address?? i dont really weant any further correspondance going to my sisters.
Can anyone offer any advice please. Not sure how much more of this i can take.
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From what i've found this is my first letter to send at allow 12+2 days;1 High Street,
Newtown,
Kent
R21 4RHJune 28, 2006
The Loan Company
Company House,
Church Street,
Newtown,
Kent,
R1 7HG
Dear Sir/Madam
Re:− Account/Reference Number 4563210025897412
With reference to the above agreement, we would be grateful if you would send us a copy of this credit agreement.
We understand that under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Sections 77−79), we are entitled to receive a copy of our credit agreement on request. We enclose a payment of £1.00 which represents the fee payable under the Consumer Credit Act.
We understand a copy of our credit agreement should be supplied within 12 working days.
We understand that under the Consumer Credit Act creditors are unable to enforce an agreement if they fail to comply with a request for a copy of the agreement under these sections of the Act.
We look forward to hearing from you.
Yours faithfully
Mr A N Other
If i hear nothing back i send this letter;DEFAULT UNDER THE CONSUMER CREDIT ACT 1974
FAILURE TO PRODUCE AGREEMENT
Dear Sir/Madam
ACCOUNT NUMBER: *******************
I wrote to you by Special Delivery/Recorded Delivery ( Ref ******) on ***** 2007 asking for a copy of the above agreement together with the relevant information under Section 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974, enclosing a 1.00 postal order as the fee payable. This letter was delivered and signed for on *****, 2007.
The Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for this request to be carried out before your company enters into a default situation. This occurred on *****, 2007. If the request is not satisfied after a further calendar month, your company commits an offence. Therefore on ********** 2007 this time limit will have expired.
I have still neither received a copy of the agreement as required by S78 Consumer Credit Act 1974, nor any other information relating to same. As such, this account has become unenforceable by law. As you are no doubt aware subsection (6) states:
If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1)—
(a) He is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement; and
(b) If the default continues for one month he commits an offence.
As such, now that the 12 working days have expired (from your receipt of the request for the agreement and supporting documents) the account is now in dispute. Whilst it remains in dispute the agreement is unenforceable.
Whilst it is unenforceable, no interest is to be added to the account. No action can be taken against me. No adverse credit references or defaults can be listed against me with Credit Reference Agencies. The account cannot be passed to a Debt Collection Agency. And lastly, I am not obliged to make any further payments to the account. Essentially, the account is ‘held’ as it was on the date of the CCA request expiring (****, 2007)
Data Protection Act (Data Protection Act 199
Furthermore, under the Data Protection Act (D10), you are also denied the authority to pass on any of my personal data. To do so in the circumstances is I understand a breach of the Data Protection Act 1998, and also the OFT guidelines, and should you ignore my request it would again result in you being further reported to the relevant authorities.
I also require that you remove all my data from your files within the next 7 days and look forward to receiving a letter from you within 10 days confirming that you have complied with this request.
Yours faithfully,
I have to allow them a further 30 days and then finally send this letter;Dear Sir/Madam
Re:−
Your Client Ref:
I refer to my letter dated (enter date) which was delivered via Recorded Delivery to your offices on (enter date).
You have failed to acknowledge this request by not supplying the requested documents. The documents I requested should be readily available as proof of your legal right to collect this account.
In my letter of the (enter date) I made a formal request for a copy of the signed, executed credit agreement for the above account under Section 77(1) and Section 78(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and a true signed copy of the Deed of Assignment. In addition a full statement of my account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account from the time (enter DCA name) purchased this account, along with any other documents mentioned in the credit agreement.
You are reminded that you are obliged to supply these documents, whether you are the original creditor or not, as defined under Section 189 of the CCA 1974.
The Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for this request to be carried out before your company enter into a default situation. If the request is not satisfied after a further 30 calendar days, your company commit an offence. These time limits expired on (enter date) and (enter date) respectively.
As you are no doubt aware, Section 78(6) states:
If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1) -
(a) He is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement; and
(b) If the default continues for one month he commits an offence.
Therefore on (enter date) this account became unenforceable at law and no further payment will be made by myself to the account, as you have failed to comply with a request for a true signed copy of the said agreement, and other relevant documents mentioned in it, and failed to send a full statement of the account and failed to provide a true copy of the Deed of Assignment, under the relevant sections of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Further, I do not acknowledge any debt to (enter DCA name).
I require the following action from (enter DCA Name) :
1. All payments made to date to (enter DCA name) for this account should be refunded in full, including interest at the rate of 8% per annum.
2. Removal of all defaults entered by (enter DCA name). Note this is to be a complete deletion and not merely an amendment.
3. I look forward to compensation under Section 13 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to be offered for the processing of my data in the manner it has been done over the past number of years.
4. After a full refund of all payments with interest and compensation are received by myself, you will be required under Section 10 and Section 12 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to cease and desist all manual and automatic processing of my data within your company and any other company within your group.
If you do not respond positively to my request, court action may be taken under Section 14 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to force (enter DCA name) or any other company within the group to comply with the refund of all monies paid, removal of all defaults maintained and compensation for damage and distress as a result of unlawful data processing. I may also pass the matter to the relevant enforcement authorities including, but not limited to, the OFT, the Information Commissioners Office, Trading Standards, the CSA, the FOS and my local MP.
Data Protection Act (Data Protection Act 199
Furthermore, under the Data Protection Act (D10), you are also denied the authority to pass on any of my personal data. To do so in the circumstances is I understand a breach of the Data Protection Act 1998, and also the OFT guidelines, and should you ignore my request it would again result in you being further reported to the relevant authorities.
I look forward to your reply within 14 days to resolve the matter amicably.
Yours faithfully
Is that the correct way of doing it and in that order??
Also how do i send the £1 cash or postal order.0 -
Postal Order, and quote the Postal Order reference number in your letter. Remember to make it clear that the £1 is the statutory fee under the data protection act and NOT a payment towards any debt[strike]Debt @ LBM 04/07 £14,804[/strike]01/08 [strike]£10,472[/strike]now debt free:j
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Also how can i find the address for HFC Bank??0
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debtman2007 wrote: »Also how can i find the address for HFC Bank??
Their website?Free/impartial debt advice: National Debtline | StepChange Debt Charity | Find your local CAB
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Hi debtman - those letters are fine. You should, however (and I will explain why) preface your first letter with the words:"I acknowledge NO debt to you, or to any company you claim to represent"Okay - why do I say add that to the letter? It is possible, if the 'alleged debt' relates to a 'debt' from 2001, then that 'debt' may also be 'statute barred' and no longer enforceable through the courts.
The Limitation Act states that if the 'debtor' has made no payment towards, nor acknowledged, in writing, a debt for a period of six years, then that 'debt' is no longer enforceable through the courts, and, once the 'debtor' has stated that he will no longer make any payment towards that 'debt' because it is 'statute barred' (the ONLY reason he need give) then the debt is no longer enforceable through the courts, and the dca should stop pursuing you for it. It could be possible that the 'alleged debt' is not quite at the end of the Limitation Period and the 'dca' is trying to get you to acknowledge that there is, indeed, a debt.
Two links that can be of particular interest to you:
a. OFT Guidelines on Debt Collection, to which dca's should adhere:If a dca does NOT adhere to these guidelines, you can report them, in the first instance, to Trading Standards, who have the power to revoke their licence.
b. National Debtline - Information on the Limitation Act:Hope this helps.I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0 -
Thanks.
Will i need to make reference to my prrevious address or they will not be able to find ny records anyway.0 -
debtman2007 wrote: »Thanks.
Will i need to make reference to my prrevious address or they will not be able to find ny records anyway.
Unless they specifically ask - No - You should give these chancers as little information as possible.I am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0 -
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Or should i attach the letter from HFC. My fear is that they will keep sending letters to the old address and nothing will progress, or am i way off the mark??0
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