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Canon EOS 400d
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BigBouncyBall
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Hi - I'd like to buy an EOS 400d DSLR.
However i'm not sure whether to go for the lens kit or body only. I've read reviews saying just get the body only and buy a lens for it. Anybody able to back this up and if so recomend a lens (or two) to get me started. I'd like to use it for all manner of photography, particularly 'Arty', creative stuff like long exposures, fisheye and things.
I can get the 400d body for about £360 and would be happy to spend a bit more to get a general 18-135mm lens (or similar) and maybe a fisheye lens to shoot some cool stuff. Though keeping it all MSE and affordable of course!
Any advice appreciated.
(**Cross posted on the Wanna forum - no response as yet, might have more luck here!)
However i'm not sure whether to go for the lens kit or body only. I've read reviews saying just get the body only and buy a lens for it. Anybody able to back this up and if so recomend a lens (or two) to get me started. I'd like to use it for all manner of photography, particularly 'Arty', creative stuff like long exposures, fisheye and things.
I can get the 400d body for about £360 and would be happy to spend a bit more to get a general 18-135mm lens (or similar) and maybe a fisheye lens to shoot some cool stuff. Though keeping it all MSE and affordable of course!
Any advice appreciated.
(**Cross posted on the Wanna forum - no response as yet, might have more luck here!)
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Hey,
The kit lens (18-55mm) is not the best lens in the world. If this is your first experience with a DSLR then I would say stick with the kit to begin with and once you have learnt it's limitations decide what new kit you want. The Sigma 17-70mm is a great walkaround lens that comes at a low price.
check out :
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/index.php?
you should find all the information you need to make an informed choice.
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Completely agree, the kit lens is a little soft, and poorly built (the camera is excellent though) there are plenty of good alternatives, some cracking L series lenses from Canon if your budget stretches to this professional series (I couldn't be without my 24-105 L series, I keep it forever!), or more budget ones from Sigma. (This month's Practical Photography magazine has an interesting review of an all purpose Sigma 18-200mm lens.)
I'd probably invest in 2 lenses if you can afford it, firstly good mid-range zoom, such as Stark suggests, remember that the EOS 400 gives an effective focal length magnifier of 1.6x (for standard lenses) so a EF (rather than an EF-S [made for digital]) lens that is, say 24-105, becomes effectively 38-168 on the EOS 400D. So with a mid-range zoom you'll loose out on the wide angle.
Then later on a very well regarded wide angle is the Sigma 10-20mm, it's not the cheapest but it is good.
Lenses are more important than the camera body in my opinion, they should last a lifetime, whereas camera body technology changes fairly quickly, so you are likely to upgrade several times, but use the same lenses.
WWW.dpreview.com is an excellent site for camera reviews.
www.the-digital-picture.com for lens reviews.
and www.tipf.org.uk is a great forum.
The 400D is an excellent camera, although I'm not personally as impressed with it as the 350D, as I use the secondary LCD a lot, and they removed this from the 400D.0 -
I have a 350d which I purchased with the kit lens to start with being new to photography.
I found it OK but am now considering upgrading.
It depends a lot on the type of photography you want to do. I actually purchased a 50mm Canon EF prime lens and Sigma 70-300 telephoto first. You certainly notice the better quality these lenses offer over the kit lens and this has convinced me to upgrade my kit one.
I found the following review useful which has a video explaining 3 popular replacements for the kit lens.
http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/which-lens-should-i-upgrade-my-canon-kit-lens-to/
(the website is also very good).
I just need to save up the cash now and justify the expense.0 -
Thanks you 3 for the advice. I'm going to just go for the kit lens for now as its only another £20-30 and when else can you buy a canon lens for that price!? Its always useful to have another lens as a backup, etc. I'll use it for a while and then assess what my style of photography demands in terms of different lenses; maybe i'll want to do more portraits than landscapes, say. I guess i've got to just get out there and have some fun with it and see what works!Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0
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I'd say it's fine to start off with, but in time you'll out grow it. Best to see what you need and grow with it. Good luck and enjoy. You could also invest in a couple of filters, a circular polariser and neutral density would be a great addition.0
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I have a 350d which I purchased with the kit lens to start with being new to photography.
I found it OK but am now considering upgrading.
It depends a lot on the type of photography you want to do. I actually purchased a 50mm Canon EF prime lens and Sigma 70-300 telephoto first. You certainly notice the better quality these lenses offer over the kit lens and this has convinced me to upgrade my kit one. <snip>
The 50mm prime is the hidden bargain in Canon's line up.
I moved to the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM Lens it's absolutely fantastic - highly recommended, the manual focusing override and the IS are brilliant additions. The other I'd consider would be the EF 17-40mm f/4 L USM. I'd say these are the best to all purpose lenses money can buy. You have to decide whether you want to extra zoom or the wide angle. Remember the 1.6x factor when using these on the 350/400D bodies.
I'd always go for EF lenses rather than EF-S as if and when you upgrade the body, you may go for a full sensor size (and by then they may be as cheap as the current APS sized sensor cameras), and EF lenses work with these, EF-S don't!0 -
Agree with all the above. I abandoned the kit lens for a 24-105 as soon as I could afford it!
Have a look at the Canon outlet on E-Bay - they often have loads of refurbished 400Ds with and without the lens and you will save a few quid and still get the Canon warranty!0 -
more good advice cheers. I've been reading all about lenses, i know everything - test me! lol, only joking. The Canon EF, 'L' range are considered the best aren't they.
Do you guys still think its worth going for the kit lens as its only another few quid and its still a pretty decent lens??
there's this on ebay - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CANON-EOS-400D-Camera-Body-Brand-NEW-BOXED-UK-Warranty_W0QQitemZ120161801019QQihZ002QQcategoryZ31388QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemHi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
If it's literally only a few extra pounds, then you might as well, it'll give you chance to get used to the camera, explore the settings, and the decide what sort of focal range lens(es) you'd like to buy extra.
Also it's useful to have if you sell the camera and buy a new body, as selling with a lens makes it more attractive for a newbie user.
A good camera price comparison site is: https://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk0 -
lens kit seems to be about another £50-60. For about £80 i can buy a much better lens. I think i'm leaning towards body only tbh. I don't intend on reselling it anytime soon!
btw isofa, that website ROCKS!Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0
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