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Warning - SKY £75 Pay Once Watch Forever problems

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  • Thankyou, NonGeographicalMan.

    I read through the thread, and then used your advice above ^^^ to send an email. I think you probably saved me a lot of work and grief.

    I'll post my email, and the reply I received, in case it helps anyone else.

    __________________________________________________

    Dear Jeremy Darroch,

    I purchased a SKY T.V. SKY PREPAID PACK from Dixons, and had Sky installed on 17th March '08.

    The Dixons advert clearly stated:
    £75 one-off payment
    PAY ONCE WATCH FOREVER and try Sky TV for 4 months.
    No annual contract
    after 4 months you will continue to receive Sky TV for £19 a month. Let us know before then if you no longer want to receive Sky TV.

    In June, I phoned Sky to say I no longer wanted to receive Sky TV. Your operative said that was fine, but I should also put this in writing to your Customer Service Department before the end of the 4 months, which I did, on June 23rd

    Yesterday (16th July) I received a letter from your Mark Anderson, saying that if I cancel my subscription I will have to pay you reasonable losses and costs.

    I have already informed you by phone and in writing that I no longer wish to receive Sky TV. I have no contract.

    I have checked my credit card account, and on July 15th you took £19 from my account.
    Please refund this immediately, and assure me that you have cancelled my Sky TV and no further amounts will be taken from my credit card.

    Kind regards


    ***** ********

    _______________________________________________________


    Dear M **********

    Customer Account Number ###########

    Thank you for your email, addressed to Mr Jeremy Darroch, which has been passed to me to investigate and respond on his behalf.

    I would like to begin by apologising for the problems you have had with your Sky account.

    Having checked your account I can confirm that this was established as a Pay Once Watch Forever account on 27 March 2008 with a payment of £75 for a 4 mix for four months.

    As you have indicated that you do not wish to continue with the 4 mix after 27 July I have arranged for the cancellation of your account on that date. You will, after that date, be able to view the free to air channels. In addition I have arranged a refund of the payment of £19.00 taken for viewing after 27 July and this should be completed within 72 hours.

    Your account will be fully cancelled on 27 July and there will be no future charges applied to the account after that date.

    I trust that I have been able to address your concerns and should you wish to re-subscribe to Sky at any future date please contact myself or our customer Service team on 08442 414141.

    Kind regards

    William Cunningham
    Customer Liaison
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  • kwt
    kwt Posts: 146 Forumite
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    I had a few problems cancelling my 'Pay Once- Watch Forever' package but after the following e-mails to and from Jeremy Darroch, I've heard nothing more



    Dear William

    Thanks for the prompt reply. I am still concerned because I phoned and was told there was nothing outstanding on my account but still received this letter.

    Please can you send another letter confirming that the account has been cancelled and that I'll not be pursued by your finance department again.

    I note that from various posts on the 'Money Saving Expert' Thread I referred to people had received assurances that they owed nothing, but were still being chased for money - some by debt collection companies.

    Obviously, I do not want any more problems and inconvenience. I would be grateful for your further prompt reply and action on this matter.


    Thank you for your email addressed to Mr Jeremy Darroch, which has been passed for my attention.
    I am sorry to learn of the problems you have experienced with the cancellation of your Sky viewing on the Pay one watch Forever account. Please accept my apologies for the inconvenience caused; this is an unfortunate situation which doesn’t happen frequently and I do understand that you feel let down.
    Having checked your account I can confirm that this has been cancelled, leaving viewing of the free channels, with no further charges to be applied to the account.
    Should you wish to consider subscribing to Sky for viewing, broadband and telephony services at a future date please contact us, when I hope we can demonstrate the standard of customer service that you would expect.
    If I can be of any further assistance please contact me
    Yours sincerely
    William Cunningham
    Customer Liaison
  • kwt wrote: »
    this is an unfortunate situation which doesn’t happen frequently

    Good old William it seems he was born to be "economical with the truth", although at least he does manage to sort the problem out whilst still consistently lieing that you are the only customer to have ever had these difficulties with Sky.:rotfl:
  • rogercr
    rogercr Posts: 30 Forumite
    I thought I'd add my pennith - I have the pay once watch forever with the 4 month free trial to sky channels. They have my credit card details in case I decide to continue after the 4 months expires. When I was giving the details in May the chap helpfully advised me to cancel before 3 months expired as I would otherwise be charged. So a couple of weeks ago I telephoned sky and they refused to do anything saying I had to call on 13 August, - not before or after. With my memory I couldn't leave things to chance like that so I wrote to Mark Anderson Customer Marketing Director at Sky requesting cancellation. His reply stated that I had a 12 month contract and I could not cancel until it expired, otherwise I would have to pay them costs. Now how many people have been intimidated into paying them? On this website we only see those people that can stand up to them. Following the advice of earlier correspondents above I have emailed Jeremy Darroch etc. No doubt they will again apologise for the mistake and take the supposed ineffective action of telling their administration staff to get it right.
  • rogercr wrote: »
    With my memory I couldn't leave things to chance like that so I wrote to Mark Anderson Customer Marketing Director at Sky requesting cancellation. His reply stated that I had a 12 month contract and I could not cancel until it expired, otherwise I would have to pay them costs.

    Mark Anderson is a total and utter disgrace and should resign.

    He constantly allows his signature to be put to letters he never writes or sees and then lets his customer service numpties make quite outrageous threats of debt collectors etc that are clearly in violation of their own terms and conditions.

    Unfortunately some of you on here have a rather old fashioned faith in writing paper based letters to Sky but letters to the company do not work as they are all syphoned off to low level customer service staff. Whereas emails to the addresses mentioned above get to the people who actually have the power to actually do something about the problem. It is however very alarming that William Cunningham keeps on leading customers to believe their case is an isolated incident when time and again Sky is using bully boy tactics to convert people who did not intend to become subscribers to become subscribers against their will.

    An item on yesterday's (Thursday 31st July 2008) You and Yours program at 12pm on BBC Radio 4 regarding Sky's involvement in providing satellite tv equipment for the pilot digital switchover scheme in the north of England reveals that Sky is once again up to its old dirty tricks in relation to the terms of the deals that people who are often on very low incomes believe they have signed with Sky and them then encountering extreme difficulties in cancelling when the free period ends. Surprise, surprise Sky has provided free Sky+ boxes with several free months use of the Sky+ facility so that these customers will then find it harder to give up subscribing to Sky (as they also lose the recording facilities). They have not provided Sky HD boxes perhaps because the HD functionality can still be used for BBC HD and C4 HD without still paying Sky any sub. Why on earth was a deal not done with Freesat Playback/+ instead.

    Listen to it from minute 32 onwards at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio4_aod.shtml?radio4/youandyours_thu
    Now how many people have been intimidated into paying them? On this website we only see those people that can stand up to them. Following the advice of earlier correspondents above I have emailed Jeremy Darroch etc. No doubt they will again apologise for the mistake and take the supposed ineffective action of telling their administration staff to get it right.
    Unfortunately Mr Darroch and his colleagues appear to be directly behind all of the dishonest lieing and cheating techniques in which Sky's call centre staff are repeatedly schooled in order to try and prevent customers from leaving the service. The people working in their call centres are only normal human beings on modest wages and the constant threats of penalties etc against customers who should be able to cancel without any difficulty at all clearly reflect board level policy and not the maverick actions of individual call centre workers.

    I have challenged Mr Anderston directly by email to explain how these "mistakes" are repeatedly being made by his staff but he prefers to stay stum and hide away behind his chief sidekick William Cunningham (a decent enough chap based on my phone calls with him but earning his living by working for a company with the same marketing morals, or rather lack of them,as Ryanair or TalkTalk) in the Customer Relations department.
  • harz99
    harz99 Posts: 3,705 Forumite
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    Unless one of the TV consumer shows can be persuaded to take this up, I fear the only way this will stop is if an individual takes one of the numpty directors whose names are put to these threatening letters, to court.

    Failing that, please keep posting on this thread (or even a new one with links back) to keep the problem as high profile as is possible on MSE.
  • harz99 wrote: »
    Unless one of the TV consumer shows can be persuaded to take this up, I fear the only way this will stop is if an individual takes one of the numpty directors whose names are put to these threatening letters, to court.

    Is Martin Lewis's moneysaving tv show still running? I have to say that I had to give up on it after a couple of programs as it was so unashamedly downmarket in its approach. I presume this was in the hope of getting the largest viewing numbers at the time of day that it was being shown?
  • skodafan
    skodafan Posts: 7 Forumite
    How I wish I'd thought to check on here before now!

    I've been having similar hassle to many others over the original " Pay once watch forever "6 month deal which in my case expired in April. I chose to ignore SKY's twice monthly letters initially, naively thinking they would realise they had made a mistake. We got back from holiday in June to discover we had been referred to a debt collection agency! I phoned SKY and was told I should have written to cancel but I was able to quote from a letter I had kept saying if they heard nothing they would cut me off, which was fine as I'd only done it like many others as a cheap way to get freesat installed.

    I was told the debt would be cancelled and the debt collection agency informed. I said that was not good enough and I wanted confirmation in writing that my credit rating would not be affected. The following day I got a letter from the debt collection agency and was very relieved when I phoned them to discover Sky had been in touch and cancelled their claim. I never got the letter of apology I had asked for and instead got a letter from the understandably, much-maligned, Mark Anderson welcoming me back. I foolishly let it go, lulled into a false sense of security by the fact Sky had been in touch with the debt collection agency.

    Last week I got another letter again saying I owed money and was being referred to a debt collection agency. I phoned up and tried to speak to a supervisor but was told by the young man I spoke to that he could see what the problem was (and I had explained nothing to him) and would cancel the £54.93. I said fine but that I was now going to contact trading standards, which I did, but they passed me on to Consumer Direct who you can phone on 08454040506.

    I went through the saga with Consumer Direct reading out bits from various letters and was told that far from me being in breach of contract it is SKY who are in breach of contract under the terms of the supply of goods act 1982 and that they are not within their rights to bill me. They suggested I write recorded delivery to SKY sending photocopies of their letters and demanding a letter confirming the debt has been cancelled be sent to me within 14days and pointing out that if they fail to do that it will be referred back to Consumer Direct to take further action.

    I sent off the letter this morning marked FAO Denise Allen so we'll see what happens. In a way now I know quite confidently that SKY are just trying it on I rather hope they don't bother to get back to me in the 14 days as I'd love the excuse to draw the contents of this forum to the attention of Consumer Direct.

    Let's see what happens next!
  • Things have surely reached the stage when its time for a program like Watchdog or You & Yours to do a major story on this repeated disgraceful behaviour by Sky.

    I see that the person from Sky who posted earlier on in this thread seems to have lacked the courage to return to try to explain away their continued lieing and cheating of so many of their Pay Once Watch Forever customers.
  • harz99
    harz99 Posts: 3,705 Forumite
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    Well done skodafan, please remember to update this thread with any further developments, as one of the best ways we can help others is to keep this thread high on the daily listings.:T
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