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Phones 2U Direct defeated in court today
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Unfair_Terms_Regs_Rule_OK
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District Judge Christopher Lethem ruled today in Tunbridge Wells County Court that part of Phones 2U Direct's Terms And Conditions are in breach of The Unfair Terms In Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. I would have considered this to be a hugely significant victory for the consumer even without the bonus of Phones 2U's representative telling the court that it could have an effect on many hundreds of other claims and that he wanted permission to appeal. This was refused of course by the formidable and impressive District Judge Lethem whose ruling took 42 minutes to deliver and contained a thorough analysis of the law in this area. Congratulations also to the brave claimant who took on the big boys at Phones2U Direct and won- She had no legal training and relied on her honesty and integrity. The District Judge described her evidence as "highly impressive" and he had no reason to doubt her contention that the appropriate documentation had been sent to Phones2U Direct.
District Judge Lethem relied on UTICCR '99 Regulation 5:
Unfair Terms
5. - (1) A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
and Schedule 2 (n)
INDICATIVE AND NON-EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF TERMS WHICH MAY BE REGARDED AS UNFAIR
1. Terms which have the object or effect of-
(n) limiting the seller's or supplier's obligation to respect commitments undertaken by his agents or making his commitments subject to compliance with a particular formality;
During oral argument he told the Phones2U Direct representative:
" You created a scheme whereby the consumer cannot retrieve the situation and cannot even check within the designated period whether you have received the documentation. I am not comfortable with that"
and in his judgment, the District Judge ruled:
"The difficulty I have with this clause [in Phones 2U direct's T + Cs regarding the onus being placed on the consumer to post it but without the means to verify whether it has been done] is the rigour and the inflexibility of the requirements...There is no opportunity for a customer to provide duplicated authenticated documentation from the provider. If the letter is lost or destroyed, the consumer has lost any chance of rectifying the situation"
The clause was struck down and declared unlawful and the consumer obtained her whole 12 months' Cashback plus costs.
One final word on this matter-The District Judge refused to hear any evidence regarding postings on this or other sites. Imagine how damning his judgment would have been if he knew just how unprincipled and devious Phones2U Direct are when dealing with complaints. I shall be contacting the OFT to provide them with copies of the judgment and my transcript of the hearing. I think Martin Lewis, our mentor and hero, should make it clear that judges can rely on the authenticity of those posting here. Martin is scrupulous in removing those messages that he considers to be defamatory. It is worthy of note that Phones2U Direct has never taken legal action against Martin or those posting here. It is to be assumed that they know the complaints are genuine and wholly justified.
District Judge Lethem relied on UTICCR '99 Regulation 5:
Unfair Terms
5. - (1) A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded as unfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
and Schedule 2 (n)
INDICATIVE AND NON-EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF TERMS WHICH MAY BE REGARDED AS UNFAIR
1. Terms which have the object or effect of-
(n) limiting the seller's or supplier's obligation to respect commitments undertaken by his agents or making his commitments subject to compliance with a particular formality;
During oral argument he told the Phones2U Direct representative:
" You created a scheme whereby the consumer cannot retrieve the situation and cannot even check within the designated period whether you have received the documentation. I am not comfortable with that"
and in his judgment, the District Judge ruled:
"The difficulty I have with this clause [in Phones 2U direct's T + Cs regarding the onus being placed on the consumer to post it but without the means to verify whether it has been done] is the rigour and the inflexibility of the requirements...There is no opportunity for a customer to provide duplicated authenticated documentation from the provider. If the letter is lost or destroyed, the consumer has lost any chance of rectifying the situation"
The clause was struck down and declared unlawful and the consumer obtained her whole 12 months' Cashback plus costs.
One final word on this matter-The District Judge refused to hear any evidence regarding postings on this or other sites. Imagine how damning his judgment would have been if he knew just how unprincipled and devious Phones2U Direct are when dealing with complaints. I shall be contacting the OFT to provide them with copies of the judgment and my transcript of the hearing. I think Martin Lewis, our mentor and hero, should make it clear that judges can rely on the authenticity of those posting here. Martin is scrupulous in removing those messages that he considers to be defamatory. It is worthy of note that Phones2U Direct has never taken legal action against Martin or those posting here. It is to be assumed that they know the complaints are genuine and wholly justified.
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Unfair_Terms_Regs_Rule_OK wrote: »the consumer obtained her whole 12 months' Cashback plus costs.
One final word on this matter-The District Judge refused to hear any evidence regarding postings on this or other sites...........
How much were the costs?
He was right in that respect. Its almost impossible to authenticate posts on a web-site, so no way should they be taken as gospel.
Does this create a legal precedence? (this is a cut and paste cos its late)
County court judges are not obliged to follow this case. A county court judgment is not binding on other county courts, or on higher courts such as the Court of Appeal.
However, county court judges may follow the decision of a fellow county court judge if they think that the facts in the case are the same as those in the earlier judgment, and they agree with the other judge’s interpretation of the law.
However, you'll be suing in small claims court, not county court, so I think phones2u will now be very worried.0 -
Halsbury's makes it clear in Par 1244 that in this sort of case, another District Judge would need very strong grounds to depart from District Judge Lethem's decision. Any contract lawyer would tell you that the Terms & Conditions are unfair and the Phones2U Direct representative admitted during oral argument that if unsuccessful in the proceedings yesterday, they would have to change them.
It ill behoves Phones2U Direct to rely on the non binding status of County court authorities when they attempted to pray in aid two completely irrelevant decisions which were cited in their woeful defence- Lotfi v Phones2U Direct in Willesden County Court and Chanan v Phones2U Direct in Dartford County Court.0 -
What was the actual legal argument? other than it was for a cashback deal?ummm...0
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speak to the Managing Director and the result was instant. His name is David Ellis and his personal line number is:01732 765401. His email address is believed to be david.ellis@phones2udirect.co.uk (he does not reply of course, but emails do not bounce back either). According to Company House records his registration number is :12512897 and his home address is listed as: Hartley, Longfield, Kent, DA3 8EX. Unfortunately, I was not able to establish his home telephone number.
Hope this helps0 -
I wonder what the OP's involvement in the case was? He is a solicitor yet the claimant (who has no legal training) represented herself in court and, seemingly, prepared her own case too.0
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This could be significant, as how many cashback companies in their t&c's do not allow replacement bills/internet statements, etc ??? As was mentioned above, if your bill goes missing in the mail or whatever, it would invalidate your claim through no fault of your own, which is in blatant breach of the act.......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......
I have a dodgy "i" key, so ignore spelling errors due to "i" issues, ...I blame Apple0 -
MASSIVE congratulations to the person who took them to court. I am very very pleased for you. You have made a lot of people very very happy.0
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This is indeed brilliant news for those of us frustrated by the system they created to do just that.
Anyone know the clever lady and persuade her to post?
Did she have proof of all her claims or did the judge take her word for it?
Learn from the mistakes of others - you won't live long enough to make them all yourself.0 -
I also had to enter a plaint in the county court against Phones2udirect. I have used a similar approach it seems to this lady, citing The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 and The Unfair Terms in Contracts Regulations 1999 (Statutory Instrument 1999 No. 2083). However my case is a little different to this claimant's I believe. The failure of Phones2udirect to pay my cashback due was not due to them not receiving the invoices on time or my omission of any other document which they required. They relied on a tricky interpretation of what was the 6th invoice. They claimed they wanted the 7th invoice as the 6th invoice whereas in their terms and conditions it was unclear and ambiguous as to whether this referred only to an 18 month contract. With a 12 month contract terminated at end there are only 12 invoices. Therefore if you did send the 7th as the 6th and the 10th as the 9th you would not have any invoice to send for the 13th as the 12th and thus would never be able to claim the final tranche of cashback.
Phones2udirect waited until the very last day possible to acknowledge receipt of the court service, then stated that they were going to submit a defence; and then waited until the very last day possible to submit their defence. In their defence they again cite the cases of Chanan v Phonesdirect2u and Lofti v Phonesdirect2u which they claim set precedents for their impossible interpretation of invoices 6, 9 and 12 on 12 month contracts, although I suspect in any case that these cases did not consider the detail of the The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 and The Unfair Terms in Contracts Regulations 1999 (Statutory Instrument 1999 No. 2083) and the resulting legal interpretation in the interest of the consumer where there is such deliberate ambiguity in the terms and conditions, and where there cannot possibly be 13 invoices. In any case their terms and conditions and whole way of conducting business breach the Ofcom Code of Practice.
The hearing will doubtless not be for some while yet. I will post details of the result here in due course.0 -
Similar to DanG I have filed a claim, but in my case it's about the number of pages of the invoice required - P2U state complete postal invoice. Page one of my mobile bill states 'Your Bill' - should be enough really. Defence was filed almost straight away. I am going for unfair terms as well. Will post when I hear anything new, or get to court.0
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