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Old Style vs the USDA head-to-head challenge...

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  • ceridwen
    ceridwen Posts: 11,547 Forumite
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    I'll see what I can do on the working out the costings viewpoint - have done a few bits - according to my workings its 67.5p for the couscous involved and 7p for the oil. I'll try and sort out the rest tomorrow - when I've done the rest of my costings.

    Have copied out both versions of the recipe and will rewrite according to my amendments, etc. No microwave for a start - I dont like microwaves (read too much about them!) - so I will be heating up the liquid in a saucepan. I've weighted up the courgette and broccoli and they come to about 1 kg between them - so I reckon I will probably use them both 50/50 and add about one-third of their price in as costings I would think - as I wont need all of them. Of course - in my case I have to take account of "wastage" - as I will be "topping and tailing" the courgette and a bit of the broccoli stem will get binned (not much - as I just peel the toughest bits off the stem and use the inner portion. Dont believe in waste:D ).
  • Aril
    Aril Posts: 1,877 Forumite
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    As requested my malt loaf recipe [v similar to the deleesh bran flake one]
    Preheat oven to 180C. Mix 5oz sugar, 4oz all bran [I use OB], 10oz dried fruit [I use value] and soak in 1/2pt cold tea [except I can't be bothered to wait for it to go cold:Dfor 30 mins. Add 4oz SR flour and pour into a 2lb greased loaf tin. Cook for 1 hour. I slice it and butter it. Keeps well for a week.
    Aril
    Aiming for a life of elegant frugality wearing a new-to-me silk shirt rather than one of hair!
  • In_Search_Of_Me
    In_Search_Of_Me Posts: 10,634 Forumite
    Just popping in to say hello! What a lovely thread this is! So much time & effort out in from everyone! Love the recipes/cooking feedback! Gave some of my curry away today & people liked it which was lovely! People may not be impressed by my work but they are with my cooking! Look forward to your update C (I dont usually type Ceridwen as its a dificult word for me being dyslexic!!). I got some veggie bacon today...havent tried it yet but will report back when I have! Realising how much more expensive stuff is organic! I have all dairy & meat organic but not veggies as I figure the allotment is occasionally blasted with weed killer when I get fed up with weeds so seems silly/hypocritical to spend more on organic veg! Min you mr author of book says organic better for your health so worth the investment!
    Forgot to ask Mrs Weezl does the challenge end on 1 June or does it go to the end of June? Hope youre ok!
    http://www.immunesystemremedies.com/smoothie-recipe.html
    thought this may be useful!
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  • ceridwen
    ceridwen Posts: 11,547 Forumite
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    Been having one of my overnight "thinking sessions" - in bed to sleep....hmmmm...thought...reach for notepad by bed to jot it down....sleep...thought...reach for notepad by bed.........

    I was thinking about how to layout my version of the recipe. I like to be very precise in how I say things (hence my frequent editing of posts - I'll use that word, no - I'll use that word...).

    I've got numerous cookbooks and one of the reasons that some of them are particular favourites of mine is the nice clear layout. I've lost count of the number of cookbooks I've come across that only give the temperature to cook something in just one fuel or dont say how many people the quantity is supposed to serve or something. A regular one even is to put something in the list of ingredients and one gets to the end of the recipe and theres been no sign of that listed ingredient being used (or vice-versa):confused:

    So - I've been refreshing my memory of the best-planned cookbook I have: "The Really Useful Vegetarian Student Cookbook" by Silvana Franco
    (- 1 recipe per page
    - a little timer thingie up the top indicating maximum time to do on the quick recipes
    - a comment saying "really easy" or "easy" unless the recipes are more difficult
    - a descriptive comment above ingredients
    - how many it serves
    - ingredients (in both metric and imperial measurements)
    - she gives oven temperatures in all 3 types of fuel.
    - she's even listed the ingredients in the order in which one uses them:beer:
    - she numbers each stage of the method part of the recipe
    - at the listing of ingredients stage of the recipe she puts after the ingredient anything she requires to have done to it (eg "1 courgette, finely grated")
    - she tells you at the end any serving suggestions she has
    - she never tells people to use any equipment some people don't have (again I lose count of the number of recipes I read which say - use a pressure cooker, microwave, mandoline.......and part way through a recipe one is stymied)

    Silvana is my kinda person....very precise. To me that is part of the attraction - I dont have to think (unlike most other cookbooks). As long as I have the ingredients I'm okay - I just follow the text step-by-step and know it doesnt matter if my brain has had a glass (or two) of wine while cooking, as its just a question of following it straight through in logical sequence.

    The only amendments I would make to her style are to add cost/calories/exact preparation time/exact cooking time at the top of each recipe. I know some authors cover the price angle by putting "£ or ££ or £££" to indicate price level of ingredients - rather than the cost (which is best for a cookbook perhaps). For our purposes - we need costings to the penny.

    Right - that my notes to self somewhere I cant lose 'em:D

    Now I'll go off and hunt out the rest of my ingredients.

    Note for others:
    On the dead cheap recipes front and we might gather a few ideas from them are the following books from my shelves (which people might like to borrow from library):

    "How to feed your family for £4 a day - the benefit book" - Bernardine Lawrence

    "Bubble and Squeak - the leftover cook book" - Jan Arkless

    "Cooking on the breadline" - Jo Hatcher

    These are all old books. They were amongst my first cookbooks - but worth a hunt for to read.
  • weezl74
    weezl74 Posts: 8,701 Forumite
    what interesting musings Ceridwen,

    I think we do compose recipes that reflect us. I for example rarely follow a recipe to the letter, tweaking according to what I have in:D. I think the imprecision of my recipes reflects this facet of me!

    But I think that if anything should ever come out of this thread, a blog ;) or book or whatever, then I think the way you've described an ideal recipe should be our proforma!

    Thanks for the book list too!

    Love Weezl x


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  • shaz_mum_of__2
    shaz_mum_of__2 Posts: 2,010 Forumite
    it was great seeing the recipe "challenge" i think we should regularly do one

    i am on a cardmaking thread we have a weekly challenge over there where a weekly theme is set

    We could do a group of ingredients say 5 and see what people come up with we dont neccessarily have to make it but write a recipe bit like a virtual ready steady cook

    What do you think


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  • jenid
    jenid Posts: 180 Forumite
    Hi Weezl hope you don't mind me posing this here. I noticed on another (christmas!) thread that you make your own caramelised onion relish. I've been looking unsucessfully for a recipe that keeps well for ages and I would love to make this! Is there any chance you could post the recipe? Many thanks in advance if you can help.

    Also I made the chocolate concrete for MR jenid and it went down very well! There was so much of it I split the batch in half and added some brandy soaked raisins to one half, that went down well too. I thought at least that way Mr jenid is getting a little bit of fibre!

    Happy cooking/eating/researching to all!:j
  • ceridwen
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    Well...I've just made the ceridwen version of spicy couscous. Hmmm.. sitting here licking my lips...quite tasty that was, tasty, quite tasty. Had to head for a cooling drink of milk afterwards (MSE style of course - 2 parts full-fat milk to 1 part water) to cool my mouth down a bit. But it was basically spicy, rather than "blast your mouth off" level of heat.

    So - I dont think I've quite got the format into "apple pie" order yet for the recipe. But my version was:

    SPICY COUSCOUS
    (serves 3)

    (time taken - 45 minutes)

    65 grammes sultanas - 21.5p
    125 grammes broccoli - 30p
    125 grammes courgette - 30p
    1 can chopped tomatoes - 52p
    3 small onions (finely chopped) - 33p
    250 grammes couscous - 67.5p
    25 ml sunflower oil - 9p
    2 cloves garlic - 4p (peeled and finely chopped)
    2 heaped tsp mild curry powder (bought loose) - ? (but 50 grammes was 65p)
    1 heaped tsp wholegrain mustard - ? (but £1 for 210 grammes) (non-organic)
    1 teaspoon honey - ? (I used wildflower honey I had in, but Tesco has organic honey for half that price - at 58.5p for 100 grammes worth)
    1 level teaspoon Schwartz crushed chillies - ?

    1. Soak sultanas in twice their amount of boiling water for at least 1 hour. Drain and keep the "soaking" water.

    2. Steam the prepared green vegetables for 5 minutes (ie courgette was "topped and tailed" and chopped into dice/broccoli head was diced/broccoli stem was scraped off and fine chopped).

    3. Dice onions pretty small.

    4. Put oil in wok with garlic, curry powder and chilli powder. Heat for 1 minute.

    5. Add the chopped onion to wok. Saute 4 minutes (either keep warm whilst doing couscous - or do the sauteing whilst couscous is "cooking").

    6. Drain the tomatoes (saving the juice).

    7. Put the tomato juice in jug, add the sultana "soak water" and then make this up with boiling water to 500 ml.

    8. Heat the liquid to boiling. Take off the hotplate and add the couscous. Stir to mix. Put the lid on the saucepan and leave to "cook" for 4 minutes.

    9. Add the onions, chopped tomatoes, mustard, honey, steamed vegetables and sultanas to couscous. Stir.

    10. Serve. One could top with flaked almonds or cashews to add a bit of "crunch" if desired (though this would add to cost).

    I make that a cost of £2.47 (excluding curry powder, mustard, honey and chilli - which I couldnt quite figure out!). Therefore approx 82p per portion - plus the bits I couldnt quite figure out - my maths aint that good! So - very rough guesstimate to include the above bits would be about £1 per portion (taking this as 3 portions worth). That is pretty good going by my thinking - though I appreciate its much dearer than the non-organic version. (In mine everything was organic except the mustard - and I priced the healthiest version of that - ie it was a lot dearer than Tesco own brand).
  • ceridwen
    ceridwen Posts: 11,547 Forumite
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    Yep - definitive version above. I've finished my editing - whoops I forgot this bit here, I made a spelling mistake there, etc thing that I always do on my "posts". Perfectionist - moi - of course not;) :D
  • weezl74
    weezl74 Posts: 8,701 Forumite
    ceridwen :T:T:T

    Thank you so much for taking the time to do all the researc, shopping, cooking, maths etc... I'm hugely grateful to both you and purple princess.:D

    Do you think after the glass of milk you'd rather reduce the chilli, or are you happy as is?;)

    Hiya JeniD, this is the one I used, click here for original page

    "Caramelised Onion Chutney

    Onion chutney requires only a few ingredients - onions of course (any will do, but red onions give the nicest colour and sweet taste), a vinegar - sherry, red wine, or balsamic are all ideal, and brown sugar, together with some bay leaves and peppercorns for flavour.

    Chop 6 large onions as coursely or finely as you like and heat with a small amount of sunflower oil in a stainless steel pan until they are soft. Add 3 cups of your chosen vinegar (or a mixture of vinegars) and 3 cups of brown sugar, and drop in a couple of bay leaves and 15-20 crushed black peppercorns. Bring the mixture to the boil and then simmer gently for 1 to 1 1/2 hours until the onions have gone translucent and all the liquid has evaporated.

    red-onion-chutney.jpg

    Pour the hot mixture straight into small (200g) sterilised jars, seal, and store somewhere cool and dark or in the fridge. The chutney should keep for at least 6 months. To ensure the chutney can keep even longer (1 year plus), put the sealed jars in boiling water and simmer for 15 minutes. Line metal jar lids with greaseproof paper to protect them from the vinegar in the chutney.

    Chutney should be left for 4-6 weeks to mature allowing all of the wonderful flavours to develop and mix."

    this last thing about maturing makes me think it definately keeps. My Dad didn't open his til March (I made them in Nov), and no mould found there!

    Shaz, I like your recipe challenge idea, do we post a list of random things that are thrifty and healthy and then try combining them deliciously? Marvelous, I'm game!

    Take care all,

    Weezl x

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