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Ok then - How do I choose a S&S ISA!

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  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
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    pamaris, here are a couple of sector allocations, both for ISA/Pension.

    First Watson Wyatt for risk level 9:
    sector/amount		%	4000	7000	11000	14000	18000
    UK Fixed Interest	6	240	420	660	840	1080 
    UK Equity		42	1680	2940	4620	5880	7560 
    North American		13	520	910	1430	1820	2340 
    European		13	520	910	1430	1820	2340 
    Japanese		8	320	560	880	1120	1440 
    Far East Ex Japan	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Emerging Market	Equity	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Global Specialist	8	320	560	880	1120	1440 
    
    For risk level 6:
    sector/amount		%	4000	7000	11000	14000	18000
    UK Fixed Interest	19	760	1330	2090	2660	3420 
    UK Property		22	880	1540	2420	3080	3960 
    UK Equity		25	1000	1750	2750	3500	4500 
    North American		9	360	630	990	1260	1620 
    European		9	360	630	990	1260	1620 
    Japanese		5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Far East Ex Japan	3	120	210	330	420	540  
    Emerging Market	Equity	3	120	210	330	420	540  
    Global Specialist	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    jamesd wrote: »
    pamaris, here are a couple of sector allocations, both for ISA/Pension.

    First Watson Wyatt for risk level 9:
    sector/amount		%	4000	7000	11000	14000	18000
    UK Fixed Interest	6	240	420	660	840	1080 
    UK Equity		42	1680	2940	4620	5880	7560 
    North American		13	520	910	1430	1820	2340 
    European		13	520	910	1430	1820	2340 
    Japanese		8	320	560	880	1120	1440 
    Far East Ex Japan	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Emerging Market	Equity	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Global Specialist	8	320	560	880	1120	1440 
    
    For risk level 6:
    sector/amount		%	4000	7000	11000	14000	18000
    UK Fixed Interest	19	760	1330	2090	2660	3420 
    UK Property		22	880	1540	2420	3080	3960 
    UK Equity		25	1000	1750	2750	3500	4500 
    North American		9	360	630	990	1260	1620 
    European		9	360	630	990	1260	1620 
    Japanese		5	200	350	550	700	900  
    Far East Ex Japan	3	120	210	330	420	540  
    Emerging Market	Equity	3	120	210	330	420	540  
    Global Specialist	5	200	350	550	700	900  
    

    I have to agree with Carnet on this one we have to make our own judgements, I for one have no intention of investing in bonds or property for the time being.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • carnet
    carnet Posts: 501 Forumite
    Personally, I have never understood the value of these sector allocations based on a person's age, lifestyle, attitude to risk etc. etc.

    If you try half a dozen different ones you will be presented with half a dozen different allocations.

    After all, they are just the opinion of the individual who made them up.

    Might be of some (questionable) value to a novice investor, but after you've been investing for a while your research leads you to your own views and you form a pretty good idea of where you should be placing your money. It may not always work out but at least you know that it is based on your own research ie is the best information you have available.

    For example, atm I am almost exclusively invested in Metals, Energy, Water and German Property (residential and commercial) as my research has led me to believe these currently offer the best prospects.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,512 Forumite
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    I for one have no intention of investing in bonds or property for the time being.

    So you have no downside protection?

    Personally, I have never understood the value of these sector allocations based on a person's age, lifestyle, attitude to risk etc. etc.

    I use the Watson Wyatt ones myself and they are based purely on risk. Not age, lifestyle etc. It should be noted that WW assume annual rebalancing taking place and that is the key benefit of the lower risk asset classes.

    The sector allocation encourages diversification and that has to be a good thing. Using these I have managed to outperform the FTSE through the crash using signficantly less risk.
    For example, atm I am almost exclusively invested in Metals, Energy, Water and German Property (residential and commercial) as my research has led me to believe these currently offer the best prospects.

    You monitor it frequently. Most do not. Plus what happens if they turn out to be wrong. Is it a bit narrow in selection?
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • stphnstevey
    stphnstevey Posts: 3,227 Forumite
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    Hmmmm?

    As always, no gain without some work (research) then - guess need to balance the amount of time this research takes up with the gain it receives.

    There seems to be ways of diversifying your portfolio, particarly to lower your exposure to risk if you can't spend every moment following up your portfolio.

    I'll go away, do some reaearch and then post my choices of funds - others will probably have their own opinions, but that might help refine my choice
  • david78
    david78 Posts: 1,654 Forumite
    If you are a beginner, pick a global investment trust and just invest £50 per month (or whatever you can afford) using the cheapest savings scheme you can find. Then sit back and let someone else worry about sector allocation.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    dunstonh wrote: »
    So you have no downside protection?

    I am invested 50/50 equity funds and cash (including ns&i tax free index linked savings certs). I will switch to bonds when I think interest rates are about to turn, I will also increase the equity proportion to around 65% if/when we get a correction.
    Dunstonh I have taken on board your views on equity spread and have utilised around 25 different funds covering UK Income, UK aggressive, UK smaller companies, European, Global, Emerging markets, Asia, Japan and USA. I still have some UK ISA trackers that I am moving over to managed funds ( again thanks for your views on this).

    I have based my fund choices on the fund managers and their historical performances although I have taken a chance on some of the younger ones, Jamie Allsop and Guy de Blonay (thanks Carnet in your earlier post) also that new Fidelity special sits guy.
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • carnet
    carnet Posts: 501 Forumite
    dunstonh wrote: »
    You monitor it frequently. Most do not. Plus what happens if they turn out to be wrong. Is it a bit narrow in selection?

    Yes, but they only account for some 20% of my total available investment capital - and are diversified over some 10 holdings.

    The other 80% is presently sitting as cash as I just don't trust the current markets.
  • Browntrout_2
    Browntrout_2 Posts: 295 Forumite
    Hello there, I have been managing my own investments for over 20 years, it is constant learning process. I have a bit of a gamblers mentality so sometimes get caught 'catching a falling knife' or buying high and selling low, which always get's you.

    I recommend that you either do your own research (DYOR) by reading books and websites OR find a recommend IFA and go through the full process with them, after all,5% commision is money well spent if it beats cash on deposit and saves you learning the hard way on S&S.

    I starting buying and selling company shares which if you think about it is the ultimate diy process. Then I read a book on fund investment that goes into the whole tracker vs active discussion, it is called 'Fundology' by John Chatfield-Roberts of Jupiter, I also recommend the book - 'Investing with Anthony Bolton'.

    Here is a current snapshot of my fund portfolio;

    Allianz RCM BRIC Stars A - Holding
    AXA Talents R - Holding
    First State Global Resources - Holding
    Investec Managed Growth A Acc - Holding
    Artemis New Enterprises - Holding
    Invesco Perp Income Acc - Holding
    JPM Global Equity Income A Acc - Holding
    JPM Japan A - Holding
    Jupiter China Acc - Sold will buy back when it crashes
    Jupiter Ecology - Holding
    Jupiter High Income - Sold
    Jupiter Merlin Growth Portfolio Acc - Holding
    Jupiter Merlin Worldwide Pfolio Acc- Sold - moving to more European fund
    Merrill Lynch Gold & General Acc - Holding
    Neptune Global Alpha A Acc - Holding
    Neptune Russia & Gtr Russia A Acc - Holding
    New Star Global Financials R - Holding
    ResolutionAsset Argnt Eurpn Alpha A - Holding
    ResolutionAsset Cartesian UK Opps A - Holding
    Schroder European Alpha Plus Acc - Holding
    Schroder Medical Discovery Acc - Holding
    Stan Life Inv UK Eq High Inc R Acc - Sold and bought more Unconstrained
    Stan Life Inv UK Eq Unconstrained R - Holding

    Sector Analysis
    Specialist - 20%
    Active Managed - 20%
    Global Growth - 20%
    All UK - 15%
    Europe ex UK - 5%
    UK Eq inc - 5%
    Global emerging - 5%
    Tech And Telecomm - 5%
    Japan - 5%

    A high risk portfolio and therefore not cash that I hope to need in the next 10 to 20 years.

    PS - you can't beat pound cost averaging, monthly purchases, that way when things go south you get even more.
    Be prepared to hold on at the very bottom, as markets don't turn until they've shaken out the last holder.
    Conversely they turn at the top when they've converted the last sceptic, i.e. no more buyers.
    If it takes a man a week to walk to walk a fortnight how long does it take a fly with tackity boots on to walk through a barrel of treacle?
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,512 Forumite
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    I recommend that you either do your own research (DYOR) by reading books and websites OR find a recommend IFA and go through the full process with them, after all,5% commision is money well spent if it beats cash on deposit and saves you learning the hard way on S&S.
    I would aim for a lot less than 5% now. Typically no more than 3% and the FSA published average is 1.8% (average meaning some take less, some take more). Get it close to that 1.8% or lower and you are doing well.

    To put it in context, had you taken advice in March and paid that 1.8% then you would have been in surplus by April. The advice cost you less than one month's return.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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