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    • ookle
    • By ookle 9th Nov 18, 9:35 PM
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    Clarification: is a NTO the same as NTK?
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    • 9th Nov 18, 9:35 PM
    Clarification: is a NTO the same as NTK? 9th Nov 18 at 9:35 PM
    Hi just that really.

    Seems bit weird that Indigo are sending NTO when the data they get from DVLA is registered keeper and as we know, owner, keeper and driver are not the same.

    As its the first letter from them for a PN on railway, do I treat it as a NTK?

    Thank you. All the advice on the threads has been amazing. I would have been pooping my pants otherwise about threats of court action etc.
    Last edited by ookle; 09-11-2018 at 9:40 PM.
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 9th Nov 18, 9:41 PM
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    Indigo at a railway station can be ignored. This is relatively new information and only applies to railway stations.
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    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 9th Nov 18, 9:51 PM
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    • 9th Nov 18, 9:51 PM
    Hi just that really.

    Seems bit weird that Indigo are sending NTO when the data they get from DVLA is registered keeper and as we know, owner, keeper and driver are not the same.

    As its the first letter from them for a PN on railway, do I treat it as a NTK?

    Thank you. All the advice on the threads has been amazing. I would have been pooping my pants otherwise about threats of court action etc.
    Originally posted by ookle
    I assume it is because the byelaws, which they are alleging a breach of no doubt, refer to owner and not keeper.
    • ookle
    • By ookle 9th Nov 18, 11:29 PM
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    • 9th Nov 18, 11:29 PM
    I assume it is because the byelaws, which they are alleging a breach of no doubt, refer to owner and not keeper.
    Originally posted by Johno100
    So does keeper liability apply? I've seen on Pepipoo that byelaws only apply to driver, but I've read the byelaws and it says owner.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 9th Nov 18, 11:38 PM
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    • 9th Nov 18, 11:38 PM
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    • 9th Nov 18, 11:38 PM
    Byelaws apply to the owner. Unfortunately there is no list of owners only registered keepers.

    If you don't tell them who the owner is then they are guessing. You can't guess when prosecuting.

    Silence is golden.
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    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 10th Nov 18, 9:22 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 9:22 AM
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    • 10th Nov 18, 9:22 AM
    In any case, the owner is often a bank or finance company. Just send them a letter suggesting that the enquire of the owner, if it is a bank, tell them so.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • ookle
    • By ookle 1st Dec 18, 9:58 PM
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    • 1st Dec 18, 9:58 PM
    Thanks for all the threads and helpful posts in the Newbie sticker area. A letter from ZZPS arrived recently.

    Its difficult to not get stressed about it.

    Does the keeper need to get a POPLA now as they seem to permissible now in case of Railway Byelaws?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st Dec 18, 10:03 PM
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    • 1st Dec 18, 10:03 PM
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    Yes, appeal as keeper (no saying who the 'owner' or 'driver' were) and ask for a POPLA code.
    • ookle
    • By ookle 1st Dec 18, 10:12 PM
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    • 1st Dec 18, 10:12 PM
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    • 1st Dec 18, 10:12 PM
    haha website won't allow me to get appeals code (probably because its past the 28 day window that Indigo set), so they want me to approach ZZPS.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 1st Dec 18, 10:48 PM
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    In that case you are in ignore mode. Do not communicate with ZZPS. That way madness lies.

    If you are desperate to be proactive you can snail mail Indigo and ask questions of everything. Ask they why you can't have a POPLA code. When they say it's past 28 days ask them why recent government announcements saying you had 12 months don't apply?

    After 6 months they cannot prosecute so take your time.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 1st Dec 18, 10:53 PM
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    If the first letter (NTK or whatever they call the scam) was from ZZPS then clearly you don't try to appeal to Indigo, if the letter doesn't say that. You appeal to ZZPS...
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 2nd Dec 18, 10:16 AM
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    PoPLA (funded by the BPA which is in turn funded by the parking scammers) have recently said that parking scammers can issue penalty notices where byelaws apply, yet the BPA CoP says their members must not misrepresent authority by using the word "penalty."

    The DfT says that an independent appeals procedure should be available where byelaws apply.

    The ADR Act 2015 says that alternative dispute resolution must be available for not less than one year.

    See, the scammers just make things up to suit themselves and ignore anything that is inconvenient to their money grabbing.

    I am of the opinion that complaints should be made along the lines above to the BPA, DVLA, ICO, and your MP.
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