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    • Isawsigns
    • By Isawsigns 28th Sep 18, 11:39 PM
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    Mecca bingo Oldham parking charge and signage...
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    • 28th Sep 18, 11:39 PM
    Mecca bingo Oldham parking charge and signage... 28th Sep 18 at 11:39 PM
    Minster baywatch Mecca oldham
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    I was among the first to be caught out by the Bransby Wilson/Minster baywatch effectively covert installation of APNR at Mecca bingo in Oldham. It became operational in October 2017. They have me in court soon.
    I think there will be quite a few court cases popping up in the coming months and and I have no doubt that the operators had a serious bumper payday as the installation and implementation really was effectively covert.
    I I fell my defence is tight. I'm very greatful for the help I've found here and elsewhere.
    I don't want to share my defence on here because it has not yet been sent to the claimant or the court.
    However, on returning to the site to take final photos for evidence I discovered something I almost cannot believe is true and wanted to share it here, and also ask if anyone knows if the following fact alone is enough to win in a parking charge court claim.-
    The Capital height of the group 1 text (pay & Stay) on the entry sign to this site is only 30mm high.
    The entrance sign is located on an access rd so the Appendix B of the BPA code says that the minimum capital height for group 1 text, even on a barrier controlled site is 50mm for an access road the minimum height is 90mm.
    The group 1 text is 3x too small.
    I took a stool and a tape measure to the site, measured and photographed it in disbelief...
    Are Minster baywatch really this inefficient or am I missing something??
    This would mean the site has been operating with an invalid sign for a year.
    Could all cases for this site be dismissed if this single point is presented correctly?
    I do have a good case without this..but I'm here because I feel like it's too good to be true.
    I've shown many people the photos of the sign with tape measure and the Appendix B section of the BPA code and every person agrees that it is conclusively inadequate to the requirements of the code.
    But each person has articulated the same thought in different ways- can Minster Baywatch really be this inefficient?
    Is it as clean cut as it sounds?
    Obviously to discuss this you will need to familiarise with Appendix B- it's only a couple of pages-
    All thoughts and comments appreciated....
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    • onlyfoolsandparking
    • By onlyfoolsandparking 28th Sep 18, 11:54 PM
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    • 28th Sep 18, 11:54 PM
    Well there are lots of wins on 'inadequate signage' and signage in general should always be part of a good defence.


    Not sure if all the cases that have been to court could get dismissed as cases don't set precedents in small claims they are just persuasive (I believe).


    All the parking scammers are inefficient when took to task, trouble is too many people pay when they get a scary letter with red writing!


    Good luck with your court case, I think you'll do ok especially with the great help available on here.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 29th Sep 18, 12:11 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 12:11 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 12:11 AM
    Are Minster baywatch really this inefficient
    Yes, either that or deliberately negligent, in order to catch people (they are ex clampers). We are not surprised and would not even question what you are saying, this really is the 'norm' for such scum companies.

    or am I missing something??
    Nope, stop looking for something you missed, it really is this much of a scam.

    This would mean the site has been operating with an invalid sign for a year.
    Yes, like loads of others; lots of private car parks with woeful signage.

    Could all cases for this site be dismissed if this single point is presented correctly?
    No, unfortunately one county court case does not set a precedent. But win yours and then tell us the claim number, court and Judge's name when it's all over and show us your photos later, and we can use that info to help others.

    You do know your photos do not go with a defence? Evidence is months down the line, so do be ready for each stage by reading bargepole's summary of what happens when in court cases (linked in the 2nd post of the NEWBIES FAQS sticky thread)

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    • Isawsigns
    • By Isawsigns 29th Sep 18, 2:44 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 2:44 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 2:44 AM
    Thanks guys, very encouraging.
    I didn't explain correctly, the Court date is in October, I'm sending evidence to the court and claimant in the next couple of weeks, not months down the line.
    The defence was sent to the court a few months ago, but was stripped down to bullet points, but it has developed considerably since....
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 29th Sep 18, 8:53 AM
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    The defence was sent to the court a few months ago, but was stripped down to bullet points, but it has developed considerably since....
    Originally posted by Isawsigns
    You cannot change your defence once submitted (well you can but for a fee) and you will have to try to work it into your WS and evidence submission.
    • Isawsigns
    • By Isawsigns 29th Sep 18, 9:28 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 9:28 AM
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    • 29th Sep 18, 9:28 AM
    Yes, I'm aware of that, the defence is not changed, only substantiated through the witness statement and evidence.
    • Isawsigns
    • By Isawsigns 17th Oct 18, 7:43 PM
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    • 17th Oct 18, 7:43 PM
    Whoop.
    • #7
    • 17th Oct 18, 7:43 PM
    I won this case hands down
    Still at a loss at the moment though as have to do counterclaim separately.
    Will add details
    • Redx
    • By Redx 17th Oct 18, 9:50 PM
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    well done


    it will be an interesting read
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Azure6
    • By Azure6 18th Nov 18, 7:27 PM
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    • 18th Nov 18, 7:27 PM
    Court Claim Update - please help
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    • 18th Nov 18, 7:27 PM
    Hi,

    Could you please share some of your winning points?

    I have a court letter myself for same location!

    Thank you kindly
    • Redx
    • By Redx 18th Nov 18, 7:35 PM
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    its so annoying when people get help on here and then dont finish the story off, like reading a book and then finding the last few pages are missing, or doing a jigsaw and find the last few pieces are missing


    I hope the OP posts the details below
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Azure6
    • By Azure6 18th Nov 18, 7:50 PM
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    Yes it would be very helpful to know
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Nov 18, 10:21 PM
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    I won this case hands down
    Still at a loss at the moment though as have to do counterclaim separately.
    Will add details
    Originally posted by Isawsigns
    Yay, another one bites the dust!

    Please do update us with a detailed 'Court Report' in your own words, to help others see what happened.

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    • azz007
    • By azz007 15th Dec 18, 9:49 AM
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    Any update from the OP? Mind is same location
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 15th Dec 18, 9:56 AM
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    Any update from the OP? Mind is same location
    Originally posted by azz007
    Send him a PM and ask him.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
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    show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 15th Dec 18, 10:23 AM
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    have done so
    • DogWalker1990
    • By DogWalker1990 21st Jan 19, 2:06 PM
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    I have had a ticket issues also.... I didn't see the signs on the way in but don't live in the area to check the signage. To the op who had the ticket cancelled, was it due to the size of the signage?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 21st Jan 19, 2:21 PM
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    I have had a ticket issues also.... I didn't see the signs on the way in but don't live in the area to check the signage. To the op who had the ticket cancelled, was it due to the size of the signage?
    Originally posted by DogWalker1990
    Try a PM as per my advice in post #14 above.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day;
    show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Newyby
    • By Newyby 16th Apr 19, 5:17 PM
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    Hello,
    I have recieved a ticket in similar circumstances.
    I have messaged the OP and awaiting a reply but was wondering if anyone else is able to help in anyway?
    Are there any pointers for challenging the ticket?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Apr 19, 12:25 AM
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    There already is, in the NEWBIES thread, and post #12 above (and every post I make, including this one) tells NEWBIES who are not on a phone, where to click to read it.
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