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    • Stanley St
    • By Stanley St 12th Jul 18, 4:05 PM
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    Too late for a POPLA appeal?
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    • 12th Jul 18, 4:05 PM
    Too late for a POPLA appeal? 12th Jul 18 at 4:05 PM
    I had a ticket from Britannia Parking a few months ago, that I appealed with them (cribbing various bits that seemed to apply from threads on this forum). Unsurprisingly the appeal was rejected telling me of a Supreme Court ruling that their charge was lawful.

    I was parked over two hours in a badly signed car park that has featured many times in various posts here. Paying the 100 charge just seemed wrong. I intended a POPLA appeal but seeing how much work was involved to do it properly, I just didn't get round to it.

    I have since had a letter from Debt Recovery Plus asking me to pay them 160 before a certain date (since past). I am happy to follow advice in the Newbies Thread ignore such a demand and see if their client really would like to take court action over it, but tactically, should I still appeal to POPLA at this late stage?
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 12th Jul 18, 4:08 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 4:08 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 4:08 PM
    When your appeal was rejected, did you receive a POPLA code? If so, is it still valid or has it expired?
    • afwone
    • By afwone 12th Jul 18, 9:35 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:35 PM
    I wonder how long after expiry is too late
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 12th Jul 18, 9:42 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:42 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:42 PM
    I wonder how long after expiry is too late
    Originally posted by afwone
    Popla codes last about 32 days. After that they don't work any more.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 12th Jul 18, 9:57 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:57 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:57 PM
    You do look to be too late, but check and see

    Never waste a chance to kill these off at Popla!!

    You now maybe unnecessarily facing years of debt collectors annoying you
    • Stanley St
    • By Stanley St 12th Jul 18, 10:36 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:36 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:36 PM
    You do look to be too late, but check and see

    Never waste a chance to kill these off at Popla!!

    You now maybe unnecessarily facing years of debt collectors annoying you
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Oh dear. Yes a few weeks late.

    And I am already onto another letter from Debt Recovery Plus who tell me that they have recommended to their client that they appoint their solicitor to start court action against me.

    However, this time they offer a final settlement offer of 136 to avoid court action.

    I wonder if it is worth appealing to POPLA, or if I should resign myself to a life of being chased by debt collectors?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 18, 10:47 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:47 PM
    You can't appeal or contact POPLA.

    Did you stop to wonder what we all did before POPLA existed in late 2012? Yep, we all ignored PPC trash and their debt collector threatogram letter chains, Typically 7 or 8 letters over a year or two, I've had them myself). Not a lifetime!

    You should complain to the landowner/retailer & get them to cancel it on the spot.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Stanley St
    • By Stanley St 12th Jul 18, 11:01 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:01 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:01 PM
    You can't appeal or contact POPLA.

    Did you stop to wonder what we all did before POPLA existed in late 2012? Yep, we all ignored PPC trash and their debt collector threatogram letter chains, Typically 7 or 8 letters over a year or two, I've had them myself). Not a lifetime!

    You should complain to the landowner/retailer & get them to cancel it on the spot.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    This is my first offence, and this world is all new to me. I am glad to read of your experience and feel prepared to tough it out with debt collectors. My dear wife on the other hand is quite worried.

    The car park in question is labelled 'Customer's Car Park' along with numerous other signs from the various shops that back onto it, but the landowner/retailer owning the land is not identified.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Jul 18, 11:05 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:05 PM
    This is NOT an offence! NOT a penalty, not a parking fine. It is a scam.

    My dear wife on the other hand is quite worried.
    So was my dear husband, ten years ago when I first collected debt collector threatograms and told him to laugh at them.

    Now you played this wrong and should have just won at POPLA (next time)! So I don't want newbies thinking ignore POPLA is the right stance because it wasn't.

    The car park in question is labelled 'Customer's Car Park' along with numerous other signs from the various shops that back onto it, but the landowner/retailer owning the land is not identified.
    Go there first - before trying IAS, so go this weekend - (on foot, having parked somewhere properly on street - no blinking private car parks!) and ask each Store Manager if they will cancel this threat, or you will never shop there again and you have in the past and planned to, in the future...
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Stanley St
    • By Stanley St 13th Jul 18, 4:19 PM
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    This is NOT an offence! NOT a penalty, not a parking fine. It is a scam.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Indeed. I committed this with a clear conscience and was entrapped through a lack of clear signage.

    So was my dear husband, ten years ago when I first collected debt collector threatograms and told him to laugh at them.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I feel a little uncomfortable about it, but your zeal for the cause is having more effect on me than the tears of my dear wife. I must hide the threatograms from her in future, as I doubt she will ever laugh at them.

    Now you played this wrong and should have just won at POPLA (next time)! So I don't want newbies thinking ignore POPLA is the right stance because it wasn't.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I am learning from my mistakes and have today advised a newbie I know to follow advice in your Newbie Thread.

    Go there first - before trying IAS, so go this weekend - (on foot, having parked somewhere properly on street - no blinking private car parks!) and ask each Store Manager if they will cancel this threat, or you will never shop there again and you have in the past and planned to, in the future...
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    A phone call to one of the shop managers has revealed the land of the car park is owned by CBRE Group, the large commercial real estate and investment firm. The shop manager told me the shops all hate that company. So many of their customers have been caught with penalty charges and have been put off coming back to shop.

    Is it worth seeing if Britannia Parking will engage with IAS on my case - or will it simply be a waste of time and the 15 fee?
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 13th Jul 18, 4:28 PM
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    Britannia are not interested in anything other than their 100 of flesh and you would be wasting 15 quid in my opinion.

    I would do as C-m suggested and visit each store in turn to see if a manager can help. (Not customer services.)

    Ignore debt collectors. Post 4 of the NEWBIES explains why it is safe to do so. Remember, this is not a fine, it's an invoice. It's no different from a tradesperson charging you when they haven't done something, and had terms buried in the small print. It is a SCAM.

    Complain to your MP as well about this unregulated scam. Amongst other things, point out that you have been denied access to ADR (PoPLA) in breach of the Alternative Dispute Resolution Act 2015, an act of parliament that states you should have access to this for not less than one year.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 13-07-2018 at 4:48 PM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 13th Jul 18, 4:30 PM
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    Is it worth seeing if Britannia Parking will engage with IAS on my case - or will it simply be a waste of time and the 15 fee?
    Britannia are BPA operators and POPLA is their standard second stage appeal service. The IAS is the IPC's version - and we almost never recommend anyone appealing to them, and especially not to their 'special' service @ 15 a pop, where you guarantee to be bound by their decision.

    I was a little puzzled why CM mentioned the IAS.
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 13th Jul 18, 4:51 PM
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    Britannia are BPA operators and POPLA is their standard second stage appeal service. The IAS is the IPC's version - and we almost never recommend anyone appealing to them, and especially not to their 'special' service @ 15 a pop, where you guarantee to be bound by their decision.

    I was a little puzzled why CM mentioned the IAS.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    IAS is a generic term for independent appeals service, and applies to the semi-fair BPA version, PoPLA, as well as the chocolate firebrick IPC version, IAS
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 13th Jul 18, 5:24 PM
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    IAS is a generic term for independent appeals service, and applies to the semi-fair BPA version, PoPLA, as well as the chocolate firebrick IPC version, IAS
    Originally posted by Fruitcake
    I know that, but usually here the IPC version is capitalised (IAS), whereas the generic tends to be shown in lowercase (ias).

    Still puzzled why CM included reference - if it was in the context of the 12-month legal option it would be 'ADR'. I'm sure CM will be along later, once the evening/night shift commences, and enlighten us.
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