Your browser isn't supported
It looks like you're using an old web browser. To get the most out of the site and to ensure guides display correctly, we suggest upgrading your browser now. Download the latest:

Welcome to the MSE Forums

We're home to a fantastic community of MoneySavers but anyone can post. Please exercise caution & report spam, illegal, offensive or libellous posts/messages: click "report" or email forumteam@.

Search
  • FIRST POST
    • Rob_Rambler
    • By Rob_Rambler 16th May 18, 3:04 PM
    • 4Posts
    • 0Thanks
    Rob_Rambler
    Which suppliers provide gas when it is located in an independent LDZ (local distribution zone)?
    • #1
    • 16th May 18, 3:04 PM
    Which suppliers provide gas when it is located in an independent LDZ (local distribution zone)? 16th May 18 at 3:04 PM
    My gas supply is located in an independent LDZ (local distribution zone). I understand this is slightly different to IGT's (Independent Gas transporters) which are part of the National Grid. Npower provide my electricity and E.On provide gas. I want to find a provider that’ll offer better tariffs dual fuel. Bulb looked attractive and so I contacted them for clarification before starting the switch. I did this because I tried a switch to npower dual fuel in 2010 and the process stalled! I had to abandon the switch because npower could not provide the gas thanks to the independent pipeline the property has. The house was built in 1999 and is not rural so I am unsure why an IGT National Grid system was not used. I presume the builder of these 68 houses chose this route. The LDZ independent pipeline arrangement locks me in to E.On unless I can identify which companies will supply gas via a MPRN (Meter Point Reference Number) starting with ‘74’ and the. Do all of the Big 6 including npower now provide gas no matter how it arrives at the property? If not, which suppliers can I consider? Thank you in advance.
Page 1
  • nPower
    • #2
    • 16th May 18, 3:39 PM
    • #2
    • 16th May 18, 3:39 PM
    My gas supply is located in an independent LDZ (local distribution zone). I understand this is slightly different to IGT's (Independent Gas transporters) which are part of the National Grid. Npower provide my electricity and E.On provide gas. I want to find a provider that’ll offer better tariffs dual fuel. Bulb looked attractive and so I contacted them for clarification before starting the switch. I did this because I tried a switch to npower dual fuel in 2010 and the process stalled! I had to abandon the switch because npower could not provide the gas thanks to the independent pipeline the property has. The house was built in 1999 and is not rural so I am unsure why an IGT National Grid system was not used. I presume the builder of these 68 houses chose this route. The LDZ independent pipeline arrangement locks me in to E.On unless I can identify which companies will supply gas via a MPRN (Meter Point Reference Number) starting with ‘74’ and the. Do all of the Big 6 including npower now provide gas no matter how it arrives at the property? If not, which suppliers can I consider? Thank you in advance.
    Originally posted by Rob_Rambler


    Hi Rob_Rambler

    If you send your details over to the email shown on our page we'll be happy to look further into this for you.

    Thanks

    Jade
    Official Company Representative"
    I am the official company representative of nPower. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE.
    If we ask you to contact us, please do so using helpandsupport@npower.com - MSE Forum has temporarily allowed the display of our contact details in our signature due to a technical issue with our profile
    • Rob_Rambler
    • By Rob_Rambler 17th May 18, 10:38 AM
    • 4 Posts
    • 0 Thanks
    Rob_Rambler
    • #3
    • 17th May 18, 10:38 AM
    • #3
    • 17th May 18, 10:38 AM
    Thanks Jade,
    I have emailed nPower the details so you can look into the issue and see whether things have progressed since I was last informed you could not supply the gas.

    • Rob_Rambler
    • By Rob_Rambler 29th May 18, 12:09 PM
    • 4 Posts
    • 0 Thanks
    Rob_Rambler
    • #4
    • 29th May 18, 12:09 PM
    • #4
    • 29th May 18, 12:09 PM
    2 weeks and still no reply re my post Apparently there are over 1 million gas supplies provided via an independent LDZ (local distribution zone) in the UK which is why I thought the forum may have some knowledgable people with experience re the query. Here's hoping somebody does.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 29th May 18, 4:01 PM
    • 19,573 Posts
    • 13,772 Thanks
    molerat
    • #5
    • 29th May 18, 4:01 PM
    • #5
    • 29th May 18, 4:01 PM
    The majority of suppliers will supply you, probably far more than will not. This is how all IGTs work, they pipe up a development and can charge suppliers a fee to supply gas to customers. Some suppliers will pass this on and others will absorb it. AFAIAA there is no such thing as an "independent LDZ", an LDZ is a distinct region for supply purposes, to be an LDZ they would have to have their own gas measuring stations and they are not going to go to that expense for each one they run.


    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5585721
    Last edited by molerat; 29-05-2018 at 4:08 PM.
    https://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/give-support/donate-now/
    • Rob_Rambler
    • By Rob_Rambler 29th May 18, 8:32 PM
    • 4 Posts
    • 0 Thanks
    Rob_Rambler
    • #6
    • 29th May 18, 8:32 PM
    • #6
    • 29th May 18, 8:32 PM
    Many thanks for your comment & link which confirms from others what I recently discovered re: Bulb not supplying IGT's. The response I received from Bulb Customer Service is "Your gas is located in an independent local distribution zone, this is slightly different to IGT's (Independant Gas transporters). IGT's are part of the national grid system, however, before NEXUS, they had higher and different charges. Independent, local distribution zones aren't connected to the main grid and we're still unable to supply them. It tends to be only the bigger, regional suppliers that are able to take people on in these zones". They term my IGT gas supply an independent local distribution zone which is slightly different to a standard IGT.

    Having read you comments and associated post via link by AndyJ52, I think my best option is to search the big 6 dual fuel tariffs and call the chosen supplier before committing. Having tried to switch before to dual fuel nPower and then be informed they couldn't complete it due my IGT LDZ, it was a total waste of time. At least I now know it's probably not worth considering the smaller operators but hopefully some of the larger suppliers will supply me. Thanks for the response.
    • alleycat`
    • By alleycat` 30th May 18, 2:24 PM
    • 1,777 Posts
    • 1,534 Thanks
    alleycat`
    • #7
    • 30th May 18, 2:24 PM
    • #7
    • 30th May 18, 2:24 PM
    My MPAN starts 74 - I've been supplied by, in no particular order: BG, EDF, NPower, EON (and whatever they used to be called too), First Utility & Bulb. The only one to make a fuss about the IGT status was NPower but they still supplied me. I think with NPower it's just more their system is moronic at times. It's well documented how much of a horlicks they made of their SAP installation. Most smaller suppliers will not care you're an IGT either. I've no idea what the LDZ bit you talk about is but the IGT aspect, at worst, may get you a slightly different rate / cost to a non IGT.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 30th May 18, 2:44 PM
    • 6,545 Posts
    • 4,201 Thanks
    Hengus
    • #8
    • 30th May 18, 2:44 PM
    • #8
    • 30th May 18, 2:44 PM
    I confess that I am struggling to understand what the issue is re IGTs. Years ago, suppliers did charge extra for an IGT supply but not now. My last two properties have been with an IGT. I am currently with Zog for gas and Octopus for electricity. Pre Project NEXUS, I recall that Zog did ask me to confirm my meter details before initiating the transfer of supply. Apart from that very minor inconvenience, having an IGT supply has been an issue.

    A quick look at the link below shows that there are a number of LDZs:

    http://www.energybrokers.co.uk/gas/gas-network.htm
    • molerat
    • By molerat 30th May 18, 2:55 PM
    • 19,573 Posts
    • 13,772 Thanks
    molerat
    • #9
    • 30th May 18, 2:55 PM
    • #9
    • 30th May 18, 2:55 PM
    An LDZ has a specific industry meaning and the CV on your bill is specific to that LDZ. I haven't got a clue as to what Bulb are telling op, the whole point is that IGTs are not "on the grid" but on their own network taking a feed from a specific point on the grid.
    https://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/give-support/donate-now/
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 30th May 18, 4:24 PM
    • 6,545 Posts
    • 4,201 Thanks
    Hengus
    Thinking back to pre Nexus, I think that Bulb was one of a small number of suppliers that used to charge £100 extra per year for gas supplied by an IGT. It would seem that this particular IGT is not working within the NEXUS structure which makes any transfer of supply a manual process. For gas, if I was the OP, I would look at Zog.
    • Shavuot
    • By Shavuot 30th May 18, 7:11 PM
    • 111 Posts
    • 31 Thanks
    Shavuot
    Many thanks for your comment & link which confirms from others what I recently discovered re: Bulb not supplying IGT's....
    Originally posted by Rob_Rambler
    Well Bulb Energy used to supply IGT's ... and charged an outrageous extra £100 a year for the pleasure of doing so.

    They then reported they were dropping the £100, since no one has ever charged anything like that amount, and in recent years gas suppliers don't charge any extra.
    (but not all the small ones will supply via an IGT.)

    I wasn't aware that at the same time Bulb dropped their extortionate additional fee for serving via IGT's, they stopped supplying via them completely.

    nPower, by comparison, used to charge an additional £10.50 pa. . They dropped their additional charge years ago ... before Bulb Energy even existed.

    Have a look at Brilliant Energy.
    We recently moved from Zog to them as they were far cheaper for us (and that was before Zog put their prices up). However the tariff we got is no longer available to new applicants.
    You may not find Brilliant Energy on all comparison sites - I know they were not mentioned by MSE when we were looking.
    But certainly check the comparison sites too to see if there is a better deal available.
    Last edited by Shavuot; 30-05-2018 at 7:16 PM.
    • Shavuot
    • By Shavuot 30th May 18, 7:21 PM
    • 111 Posts
    • 31 Thanks
    Shavuot
    .... At least I now know it's probably not worth considering the smaller operators but hopefully some of the larger suppliers will supply me. Thanks for the response.
    Originally posted by Rob_Rambler
    Almost all suppliers will supply you. Big or small.
    There are only a very few exceptions, but if you cannot find any mention on the suppliers website whether they do or don't, then simply give them a call.

    Brilliant Energy certainly supply via IGT's whose customers MPRN start with 74. I know because we have such an MPRN and are supplied by them.
    Zog, another small supplier, also do (they didn't originally when they launched, but added a comment on their website later to say they would start accepting IGT customers) and we were previously supplied by them, but as I said they became too expensive (and that was before their recent price hike)
    Last edited by Shavuot; 30-05-2018 at 7:23 PM.
Welcome to our new Forum!

Our aim is to save you money quickly and easily. We hope you like it!

Forum Team Contact us

Live Stats

2,293Posts Today

8,192Users online

Martin's Twitter