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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 10th May 18, 8:30 PM
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    PCN received.
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    • 10th May 18, 8:30 PM
    PCN received. 10th May 18 at 8:30 PM
    Hi the third party received a PCN for overstaying whilst I watched a film.

    The keeper has read the FAQ so apologies if its answered there, the keeper is annoyed as first PCN, not the only 1 though and must be others who got caught.

    The keeper like to appeal it but with not having had a pcn before the keeper is not sure if could pay the reduced fee if the appeal fails.

    Would appreciate any advice.
    Thanks
    Last edited by DCFC79; 10-05-2018 at 9:06 PM.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th May 18, 8:34 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:34 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:34 PM
    The reduced fee is a scam!


    Of course you should follow the advice in the FAQ

    You say the letter is correctly addressed to the right person - but that is irrelevant


    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving and either remove the photo or obscure all unique details that the ppc can use to identify you


    The ppcs monitor this forum and can use your posts against you
    Last edited by Quentin; 10-05-2018 at 8:45 PM.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 10th May 18, 8:39 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:39 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:39 PM
    Remove the PCN number and the very precise times from that image.
    That, together with the site address are enough to uniquely identify that incident.

    You now need to send the blue text template appeal found in post #1 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 10th May 18, 8:52 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:52 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:52 PM
    The reduced fee is a scam!


    Of course you should follow the advice in the FAQ

    You say the letter is correctly addressed to the right person - but that is irrelevant


    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving and either remove the photo or obscure all unique details that the ppc can use to identify you


    The ppcs monitor this forum and can use your posts against you
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Thanks, removed details, maybe too late.

    So if I appeal using the template, do they just write the PCN off based on the letter ?

    Remove the PCN number and the very precise times from that image.
    That, together with the site address are enough to uniquely identify that incident.

    You now need to send the blue text template appeal found in post #1 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread.
    Originally posted by KeithP
    Thanks, stupidly thought Id removed any identifying information.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 10-05-2018 at 8:55 PM.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th May 18, 8:55 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:55 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 8:55 PM
    No - that letter isn't a silver bullet!


    Go through the FAQ again - the letter is a step to getting a POPLA code!


    (More editing of the OP required!)
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 10th May 18, 9:00 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:00 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:00 PM
    No - that letter isn't a silver bullet!


    Go through the FAQ again - the letter is a step to getting a POPLA code!


    (More editing of the OP required!)
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Thanks

    needs to use more letters
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th May 18, 9:02 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:02 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:02 PM
    The OP needs still more editing


    Use the third party to describe what happened (eg "the driver" , "the keeper" etc)did this etc
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 10th May 18, 9:26 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:26 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:26 PM
    The OP needs still more editing


    Use the third party to describe what happened (eg "the driver" , "the keeper" etc)did this etc
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Thanks for that.

    Read the FAQ, not sure what I should be looking for.

    Maybe I need to come back tomorrow and give it another read.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th May 18, 9:31 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:31 PM
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    • 10th May 18, 9:31 PM
    Post #1 covers initial appeals.


    (Remove "I" & "the third party" and replace with "the driver" in your OP!)
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th May 18, 11:30 PM
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    Which parking firm is this about?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 14th May 18, 12:00 PM
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    Which parking firm is this about?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Its VCS or Vehicle Control Services.

    The driver now has alot more free time so will re read the FAQ and any other relevant threads.

    Image of letter received

    http://i67.tinypic.com/ziubzc.jpg

    The driver may have been a little over cautious with the information I have blanked out.

    Found the template letter in the newbies thread so that's the letter I need to send right.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 14-05-2018 at 12:57 PM.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 14th May 18, 1:13 PM
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    Found the template letter in the newbies thread so that's the letter I need to send right.
    Originally posted by DCFC79
    That's right.

    Send it as the keeper.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 14th May 18, 1:34 PM
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    That's right.

    Send it as the keeper.
    Originally posted by KeithP
    And don't put my name on it right ?

    Thanks
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 14th May 18, 1:41 PM
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    Yes of course you must state your name and full postal address.

    Did you not read these words immediately below that blue text?
    [B]THE NAME AND POSTAL ADDRESS OF THE KEEPER (OR THE HIRER/LESSEE) GOES HERE. THE DRIVER IS NOT IDENTIFIED.
    You must read things more carefully.
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 14th May 18, 2:12 PM
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    Yes of course you must state your name and full postal address.

    Did you not read these words immediately below that blue text?

    You must read things more carefully.
    Originally posted by KeithP
    Ah I see what I did, on the letter I only sign it as the registered keeper but not the driver.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 14-05-2018 at 3:13 PM.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th May 18, 3:30 PM
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    Do appreciate that appeals to IPC companies are futile as explained in the FAQ

    Once it's sent you're in ignore mode

    Ignore everything except a lbcca or Court correspondence.

    They have 6 years to start legal action against you

    If it comes to this then come back for advice on how to defend this at that time
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th May 18, 3:32 PM
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    Why do people think for one minute, they don't put their name...what more can we do?

    I'm astonished that I had to add the blinking obvious under the template, but I had to due to people actually thinking they don't put their name. Course you do, name & address.

    This is basic letter sending, the sort of stuff people used to learn at primary school when they learned how to spell by rote (not any more).
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 14-05-2018 at 3:36 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 14th May 18, 4:35 PM
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    Why do people think for one minute, they don't put their name...what more can we do?

    I'm astonished that I had to add the blinking obvious under the template, but I had to due to people actually thinking they don't put their name. Course you do, name & address.

    This is basic letter sending, the sort of stuff people used to learn at primary school when they learned how to spell by rote (not any more).
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    I just sign it as the registered keeper since they have no idea who the driver was.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 17-05-2018 at 12:10 PM.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th May 18, 4:49 PM
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    if the PCN or NTK is in the name of the RK , or somebody is appealing as KEEPER and not driver, they put the name of the KEEPER (not the REGISTERED KEEPER) , and the serviceable address (which is any address they can collect the mail from , not necessarily a home address)

    so copy and pastE the template , add the date , the pcn or ntk reference , the keeper name and the keeper address (or a serviceable address)

    unless there are COMPELLING reasons for naming the driver, the DRIVER is not named , or identified (even if all of those entities are one and the same person)

    it is for a parking company to prove their case against the correct person, not for newbies and people who dont know any better to blab

    remember the words on cop shows

    you have the right to remain silent
    anything you do say may be used against you in a court of law

    one of the hardest jobs on here is to get people to forget about "what happened" and the priority of not to blab right from the outset ( so NOT the DRIVER and NOT the Registered Keeper either)

    putting your name and address and date and reference when composing a letter of reply is basic stuff , but choosing the words can be critical, plus sometimes less is more, but not the basics
    Last edited by Redx; 14-05-2018 at 4:53 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th May 18, 4:49 PM
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    OK, and you do realise you will not get a POPLA code from VCS as they are not in the BPA? And that this response is purely an exercise, will not get it cancelled, and you are in this for the long haul. I hope you have read enough IPC threads to realise this - if not, read more IPC threads.

    VCS never cancel. But we beat them in court, if they try that.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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