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    • MSE Callum
    • By MSE Callum 11th Apr 18, 3:18 PM
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    MSE News: BA launches new cheaper hand luggage only fare for long-haul flights
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    • 11th Apr 18, 3:18 PM
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    MSE News: BA launches new cheaper hand luggage only fare for long-haul flights 11th Apr 18 at 3:18 PM
    British Airways has launched a new long-haul 'basic' fare for customers who don't want to check in luggage or select a seat - and it will be up to £60 cheaper than standard fares...
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    'BA launches new cheaper hand luggage only fare for long-haul flights'

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    • richardw
    • By richardw 11th Apr 18, 3:39 PM
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    Tis all about additional revenue streams, nowt to do with long term cheaper.
    Posts are not advice and must not be relied upon.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 11th Apr 18, 3:41 PM
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    Actually I think its so they will continue to appear high up on price comparison sites along with their competitors, most of whom were already offering HBO fares.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 11th Apr 18, 3:50 PM
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    Matching Norweigan.
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    • By bagand96 11th Apr 18, 4:00 PM
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    Matching Norweigan.
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    And Air France KLM (on USA services), Delta, Virgin Atlantic, WOW, Primera and others probably....
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 11th Apr 18, 4:02 PM
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    We could manage our visits to DS In New Jersey during the summer with hand luggage only - apart from having to take 'surprises' for little boys!
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    • redux
    • By redux 12th Apr 18, 9:54 AM
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    From the MSE article:

    If you've bought a basic fare, your hand baggage allowance is one handbag or laptop bag (which can be a maximum 23kg and up to 40x30x15cm) plus one additional cabin bag (which can be a maximum 23kg and up to 56x45x25cm).

    I'm confused. There used to be a time when one piece of hand luggage meant one, not two.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Apr 18, 10:49 AM
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    There used to be a time when one piece of hand luggage meant one, not two.
    Originally posted by redux
    Nobody is saying you can only take one bag. MSE aren't saying that. BA certainly aren't.

    https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/baggage-essentials/hand-baggage-allowances
    • waamo
    • By waamo 12th Apr 18, 10:50 AM
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    From the MSE article:

    If you've bought a basic fare, your hand baggage allowance is one handbag or laptop bag (which can be a maximum 23kg and up to 40x30x15cm) plus one additional cabin bag (which can be a maximum 23kg and up to 56x45x25cm).

    I'm confused. There used to be a time when one piece of hand luggage meant one, not two.
    Originally posted by redux
    A 23kg piece of hand luggage? I would love to see someone get that in an overhead locker.
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    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Apr 18, 10:53 AM
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    A 23kg piece of hand luggage? I would love to see someone get that in an overhead locker.
    Originally posted by waamo
    I usually pack heavy stuff in my hand baggage to avoid being overweight in my hold luggage. Sometimes, my small hand luggage weighs more than my large checked suitcase.

    And at 60 years old, I'm still capable of lifting 23Kg above my head. Although provided it will fit, it can go under the seat in front.
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 12th Apr 18, 11:07 AM
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    Matching Norweigan.
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    BA owner IAG has made a bid for Norweigan.

    Best way to wipe out a "low cost" competitor long haul and get hold of some regional slots in the UK.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Apr 18, 11:18 AM
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    BA owner IAG has made a bid for Norweigan.

    Best way to wipe out a "low cost" competitor long haul and get hold of some regional slots in the UK.
    Originally posted by PeacefulWaters
    Blimey. That is not good news. BA have been trying to damage Norwegian by competing head to head with them. Hence the launch of recent destinations such as Fort Lauderdale and Oakland.

    BA has a long history of aggressively trying to destroy the competition. Dan Air, British Caledonian, Laker.

    BA needs competition. Without it, it will continue to provide a worse and worse product to a captive market.
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    • By PeacefulWaters 12th Apr 18, 11:30 AM
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    Blimey. That is not good news. BA have been trying to damage Norwegian by competing head to head with them. Hence the launch of recent destinations such as Fort Lauderdale and Oakland.

    BA has a long history of aggressively trying to destroy the competition. Dan Air, British Caledonian, Laker.

    BA needs competition. Without it, it will continue to provide a worse and worse product to a captive market.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    They might give it the LEVEL brand.

    But I agree. Bad news.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 12th Apr 18, 11:49 AM
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    Blimey. That is not good news. BA have been trying to damage Norwegian by competing head to head with them. Hence the launch of recent destinations such as Fort Lauderdale and Oakland.

    BA has a long history of aggressively trying to destroy the competition. Dan Air, British Caledonian, Laker.

    BA needs competition. Without it, it will continue to provide a worse and worse product to a captive market.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Indeed. Worst flight I've been on was a BA flight from Toronto to Heathrow. It felt like we were crammed on with nasty cheap seats. The entertainment system was primitive too.

    American Airlines on the other hand are a joy to fly with (in my experience). I know who I will choose next time.
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    • boatman
    • By boatman 12th Apr 18, 12:16 PM
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    I think any advertised prices should be for a standard 10kg hand luggage/20kg hold luggage. If they then want to offer discounts on that, so be it, but not until you go to their website and progress the booking. That way on comparison sites its comparing like with like.

    Its getting a bit silly now with many products, trying to compare like with like is made deliberately awkward by shops/services, i know its a way for them to try and show a better price, but surely there comes a point when regulation should step in, what can we expect next, airlines selling seats with no legroom, then pay a charge per inch depending on what you want!!!
    Last edited by boatman; 12-04-2018 at 12:59 PM. Reason: ii
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Apr 18, 12:19 PM
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    Indeed. Worst flight I've been on was a BA flight from Toronto to Heathrow. It felt like we were crammed on with nasty cheap seats. The entertainment system was primitive too.

    American Airlines on the other hand are a joy to fly with (in my experience). I know who I will choose next time.
    Originally posted by waamo
    Not defending BA, but your flight from Toronto to LHR was probably on a 787. These planes were originally designed to be 8 across, 2-4-2, but almost all airlines are operating them as 3-3-3 (the honourable exception being JAL, who's 787s are 2-4-2. ANA started out as 2-4-2 but their newer planes are 3-3-3). The "Dreamliner" has a terrible reputation with passengers in economy.

    American Airlines started "densifying" their 777s a while ago, moving to a 3-4-3 config instead of the 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) that they were designed for. BA are now following suit.

    I don't think it's simple as choosing an airline. Look at what aircraft they are operating on a particular route, and check the seating configuration and the amount of space (pitch and width) they offer.

    And sadly, regardless of whether you chose AA or BA, it makes no difference to where your money ends up as they have a revenue sharing agreement (along with Iberia) on Trans Atlantic routes.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 12th Apr 18, 1:32 PM
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    Not defending BA, but your flight from Toronto to LHR was probably on a 787. These planes were originally designed to be 8 across, 2-4-2, but almost all airlines are operating them as 3-3-3 (the honourable exception being JAL, who's 787s are 2-4-2. ANA started out as 2-4-2 but their newer planes are 3-3-3). The "Dreamliner" has a terrible reputation with passengers in economy.

    American Airlines started "densifying" their 777s a while ago, moving to a 3-4-3 config instead of the 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) that they were designed for. BA are now following suit.

    I don't think it's simple as choosing an airline. Look at what aircraft they are operating on a particular route, and check the seating configuration and the amount of space (pitch and width) they offer.

    And sadly, regardless of whether you chose AA or BA, it makes no difference to where your money ends up as they have a revenue sharing agreement (along with Iberia) on Trans Atlantic routes.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Both AA and BA were on 777's
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    • redux
    • By redux 12th Apr 18, 1:47 PM
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    Nobody is saying you can only take one bag. MSE aren't saying that. BA certainly aren't.

    https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/baggage-essentials/hand-baggage-allowances
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    A 23kg piece of hand luggage? I would love to see someone get that in an overhead locker.
    Originally posted by waamo
    From my admittedly not great experience, I've been on flights with other airlines which allowed one cabin bag, dimensions I was slightly marginal on so I loose packed my bag and squashed it sideways, specified weight limits of 9 kg or 12kg.

    Even on BA to America in 1991, only one bag was allowed, and not that big.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 12th Apr 18, 3:07 PM
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    Recently had a weekend away in Canada, flying with BA & hand luggage only.


    It was a bit of an experiment but we found it OK and would do it again
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    • MiraculousM
    • By MiraculousM 13th Apr 18, 8:47 AM
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    I think any advertised prices should be for a standard 10kg hand luggage/20kg hold luggage. If they then want to offer discounts on that, so be it, but not until you go to their website and progress the booking. That way on comparison sites its comparing like with like.

    Its getting a bit silly now with many products, trying to compare like with like is made deliberately awkward by shops/services, i know its a way for them to try and show a better price, but surely there comes a point when regulation should step in, what can we expect next, airlines selling seats with no legroom, then pay a charge per inch depending on what you want!!!
    Originally posted by boatman
    This is a terrible idea. Why would they reduce what they offer already in regards to luggage? The reason that i do not fly Virgin transatlantic is purely because of their limits on weight of the hand luggage and the reason i never bothered with Norwegian transatlantic was because of the 3kg less on their checked baggage despite being about £20 less for every transatlantic flight.

    If BA reduced its hold to 20KG and hand luggage to a 10KG weight limit, there is no way i would ever fly with them again. They do not offer much at the moment for all of us sitting in Economy (reducing Avios points, taking away the toothbrush and toothpaste on long haul, reducing seat sizes to less than ryanair and now BoB on shorthaul)... it really isnt going to take much for me and the majority of other economy customers to go elsewhere.

    Also, if BA buy Norwegian it will be terrible. They will hike up their prices and make it unaffordable to go away.
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