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    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 11th Apr 18, 2:26 PM
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    Sign new Tenancy Agreement or benefits will be suspended?
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    • 11th Apr 18, 2:26 PM
    Sign new Tenancy Agreement or benefits will be suspended? 11th Apr 18 at 2:26 PM
    Hello.

    Got a letter from my landlords agent on 10th March
    stating that 'they will no longer be the agents from 1st April 2018.

    The new agents will contact you from this date.'

    Got a letter today from new 'landlords' stating that 'your landlord should have informed you about the sale of this property.You will be dealing with this letting agent in future.

    If you are on HB / UC you need to sign the tenancy agreement asap. If you do not your benefits will be suspended by the council.

    If you are a private tenant cancel any standing orders with yr previous landlord.

    It is imperitive you sign asap.'

    I don't want to sign a new AST because I'm looking for another place, I've been offered a flat by a crappy housing association but am more hopeful of getting a house nearby but it's taking a while to come on the market.

    My rent gets paid by council direct to landlord with top ups paid by standing order this week.

    It's a long while since I signed a tenancy agreement, I've been at this address for 6 years, so it must be a periodic.

    I'm pretty sure my landlord owns both the old and new letting agents.

    Could be paranoid but I wonder if the housing association got in touch with original letting agents for a reference and they have gone - hang on we need to keep this chap - or maybe it's coincidence.

    I need time but it's the bit in bold as per thread title that concerns me most.

    If I sign it then I'll be bound to stay for however long it's for.
    If I don't then they say the council will stop my benefits.
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    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 11th Apr 18, 2:32 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 2:32 PM
    Hello.

    Got a letter from my landlords agent on 10th March
    stating that 'they will no longer be the agents from 1st April 2018.

    The new agents will contact you from this date.'

    Got a letter today from new 'landlords' stating that 'your landlord should have informed you about the sale of this property.You will be dealing with this letting agent in future.

    If you are on HB / UC you need to sign the tenancy agreement asap. If you do not your benefits will be suspended by the council.

    If you are a private tenant cancel any standing orders with yr previous landlord.

    It is imperitive you sign asap.'

    I don't want to sign a new AST because I'm looking for another place, I've been offered a flat by a crappy housing association but am more hopeful of getting a house nearby but it's taking a while to come on the market.

    My rent gets paid by council direct to landlord with top ups paid by standing order this week.

    It's a long while since I signed a tenancy agreement, I've been at this address for 6 years, so it must be a periodic.

    I'm pretty sure my landlord owns both the old and new letting agents.

    Could be paranoid but I wonder if the housing association got in touch with original letting agents for a reference and they have gone - hang on we need to keep this chap - or maybe it's coincidence.

    I need time but it's the bit in bold as per thread title that concerns me most.

    If I sign it then I'll be bound to stay for however long it's for.
    If I don't then they say the council will stop my benefits.
    Originally posted by Mr Gnu
    Sounds like the usual 24 carat letting agent BS to me.

    Have you contacted the council and asked them what happens regarding your housing benefit if there's a change of landlord?
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 11th Apr 18, 2:48 PM
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    Sounds like the usual 24 carat letting agent BS to me.

    Have you contacted the council and asked them what happens regarding your housing benefit if there's a change of landlord?
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    It sure does Pixie.

    No not yet but I presume they will pay the new landlord (same as the old landlord but different co. ) after I sign this new ATC , which I don't want to sign if I can help it.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 11th Apr 18, 3:16 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 3:16 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 3:16 PM
    It sure does Pixie.

    No not yet but I presume they will pay the new landlord (same as the old landlord but different co. ) after I sign this new ATC , which I don't want to sign if I can help it.
    Originally posted by Mr Gnu
    But what you need to ask them is whether they will continue to pay even if you don't sign the new AST.
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 11th Apr 18, 3:24 PM
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    Ask, calm & polite, for proof of ownership change (ie documents)

    Or spend 3 with land registry & see who name of owner is & address. Oddly, you don't have to own a place to be landlord.

    You do not have to agree to be r sign any new tenancy agreement not agree to any changes of existing agreement.

    Landlord and/or agent are trying to fiddle something, not sure what.
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 11th Apr 18, 3:24 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 3:24 PM
    Do you have a family? If not, what makes you think you will receive sufficient HB to rent "a house nearby"?

    "Crappy housing association". Many people would give their eye teeth to rent from an HA rather than a private LL.
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
    Every stew starts with the first onion.
    I took it upon myself to investigate a trifle; it had custard, jelly, soggy sponge things...
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 11th Apr 18, 4:12 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 4:12 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 4:12 PM
    My rent gets paid by council direct to landlord
    Originally posted by Mr Gnu
    Are you absolutely 100% sure about that?
    Not to the letting agent?


    I'm pretty sure my landlord owns both the old and new letting agents.
    I think that's massively unlikely, tbh.


    Could be paranoid but I wonder if the housing association got in touch with original letting agents for a reference and they have gone - hang on we need to keep this chap - or maybe it's coincidence.
    Coincidence is most likely, especially with the changeover (more or less) coinciding with the end of a tax year.
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 11th Apr 18, 4:40 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 4:40 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 4:40 PM
    Ask, calm & polite, for proof of ownership change (ie documents)

    Or spend 3 with land registry & see who name of owner is & address. Oddly, you don't have to own a place to be landlord.

    You do not have to agree to be r sign any new tenancy agreement not agree to any changes of existing agreement.

    Landlord and/or agent are trying to fiddle something, not sure what.
    Originally posted by theartfullodger
    Is this true if the house has been 'sold' to a different landlord though?

    Do you have a family? If not, what makes you think you will receive sufficient HB to rent "a house nearby"?

    "Crappy housing association". Many people would give their eye teeth to rent from an HA rather than a private LL.
    Originally posted by Smodlet
    I'm renting a house now so no change there.

    It's a reknowned crappy HA. I'm not saying all HA's are crappy.

    They are known for lies and intimidating people with mental health issues.Though the flat is ok and in good locale but with limited internet.

    Are you absolutely 100% sure about that?
    Not to the letting agent?



    I think that's massively unlikely, tbh.



    Coincidence is most likely, especially with the changeover (more or less) coinciding with the end of a tax year.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Letting agent, sorry.

    Good point about tax year,coincidence likely then.

    I had better contact the new agents, and the council. Very confused.
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 11th Apr 18, 4:46 PM
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    • 11th Apr 18, 4:46 PM
    It doesn't matter if the property has been sold and you have a new landlord, your tenancy continues exactly the same as it did before. Legally there is absolutely no requirement to sign a new tenancy agreement. However, the new landlord, or an agent acting on his behalf, should WRITE to you informing you of the new address for the serving of notices and the new account details for your standing order. I imagine the council will also need to be informed of the new account details so that is what you need to ask the council - what information does the council require when there's a change of landlord.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 11th Apr 18, 5:17 PM
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    The new letting agent may wish to supply a new tenancy agreement to the council as proof that you are renting. It may smooth the way for the council to pay the letting agent the rent.

    It is quite rare for the council to pay private landlords (or their agents) direct nowadays, so I'm guessing that the letting agent doesn't want to risk the council paying you HB direct and expecting you to pay the rent.

    Either way it is your obligation to make sure the rent is paid, so worth you contacting the council.
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 11th Apr 18, 5:29 PM
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    The wise new landlord in these circumstances drops round with cake for a brief chat, says they are very happy to offer a new tenancy at reduced rent (say 50/month) to give tenant re-assurance and all sorted.

    The dumb landlord writes saying you MUST sign new tenancy... or even tries to increase rent.
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 11th Apr 18, 5:33 PM
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    The wise new landlord in these circumstances drops round with cake for a brief chat, says they are very happy to offer a new tenancy at reduced rent (say 50/month) to give tenant re-assurance and all sorted.

    The dumb landlord writes saying you MUST sign new tenancy... or even tries to increase rent.
    Originally posted by theartfullodger
    But the tenant doesn't want a new tenancy!
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 11th Apr 18, 5:43 PM
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    But the tenant doesn't want a new tenancy!
    Originally posted by silvercar
    I know!

    I was merely suggesting an option for landlords desirous of a shiny new AST that will probably be accepted, rapidly, by many tenants: Offer a new deal at a lower rent (Counter-intuitive I realise...)
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 11th Apr 18, 6:06 PM
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    Is this true if the house has been 'sold' to a different landlord though?
    Originally posted by Mr Gnu
    Yes. The tenancy continues unchanged - only the name of the landlord changes.


    Letting agent, sorry.
    ...
    I had better contact the new agents, and the council. Very confused.
    Yes, you definitely need to talk to the council, because otherwise your rent's going to be paid to the wrong people... And they probably won't just say "Oh, OK, we'll change" then, without proof in the form of... a tenancy!
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 11th Apr 18, 6:10 PM
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    It doesn't matter if the property has been sold and you have a new landlord, your tenancy continues exactly the same as it did before. Legally there is absolutely no requirement to sign a new tenancy agreement. However, the new landlord, or an agent acting on his behalf, should WRITE to you informing you of the new address for the serving of notices and the new account details for your standing order. I imagine the council will also need to be informed of the new account details so that is what you need to ask the council - what information does the council require when there's a change of landlord.
    Originally posted by Pixie5740
    Great post Pixie, thanks.

    Well they did write to me but with no sort code or any address. I suspect they will want to come round with a tenancy agreement to sign and a sort code etc and also talk of dire warnings of what may happen if i don't sign.

    The new letting agent may wish to supply a new tenancy agreement to the council as proof that you are renting. It may smooth the way for the council to pay the letting agent the rent.

    It is quite rare for the council to pay private landlords (or their agents) direct nowadays, so I'm guessing that the letting agent doesn't want to risk the council paying you HB direct and expecting you to pay the rent.

    Either way it is your obligation to make sure the rent is paid, so worth you contacting the council.
    Originally posted by silvercar
    Yes silvercar, thanks, I think you're right.

    The wise new landlord in these circumstances drops round with cake for a brief chat, says they are very happy to offer a new tenancy at reduced rent (say 50/month) to give tenant re-assurance and all sorted.

    The dumb landlord writes saying you MUST sign new tenancy... or even tries to increase rent.
    Originally posted by theartfullodger
    I did have a list of what might keep me here: drop the top ups, new front door,new back gate and a couple of course of blocks on the wall for security,refurb the windows etc..maybe they will promise these as long as I sign here.. nah doubt it.

    I think I'll tell the new agents I want away so there's no point signing a new AST.Then perhaps the periodic could continue and I would have to get a new sort code for top ups and ask council about what happens re the actual rent.
    Last edited by Mr Gnu; 11-04-2018 at 6:23 PM.
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 11th Apr 18, 6:17 PM
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    Yes. The tenancy continues unchanged - only the name of the landlord changes.


    Yes, you definitely need to talk to the council, because otherwise your rent's going to be paid to the wrong people... And they probably won't just say "Oh, OK, we'll change" then, without proof in the form of... a tenancy!
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Thanks AdrianC, could get messy indeed.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 11th Apr 18, 9:08 PM
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    When my LL was selling, he did have a couple of LL's coming round, but all wanted to put the rent up. I would have accepted as I knew getting a new property would be difficult as a benefit tenant, but in the end had to be evicted and go into social housing as the LL's wanted more money than I could pay.

    My LL did insist on signed tenancy agreements even though I was (initially) very unhappy with the lack of essential repairs and hoped to get another private rental (not possible as a benefit tenant in my area as it turns out). When I went to my council they told me if I refused to sign a TA and was evicted because of that, I'd be found voluntarily homeless. Which surprised me somewhat. So I had to sign. But, again, as it turns out, only for another couple of years cause then he decided to sell anyway. While it was terribly stressful, once I knew I had somewhere to go, I was SO relieved to be rid of the LL's lies, fun and games.

    I've noticed that the property has gone for a higher fee since, but been empty twice (in the couple of years) for quite long periods (particularly given the demand in the area). So I doubt the new LL has gotten any gains. Charge higher rents, tenants expect more and the state of the place was dreadful, extension with no insulation or heating, wiring was awful, hob used to go out due to irregular gas supply (done by DIY idiot), boiler broke frequently with long repair times due to a lack of parts. Nothing I could enforce but very inconvenient. So Karma does visit occasionally.
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 12th Apr 18, 11:20 AM
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    I phoned the council they said phone the new agents.

    So I did and told them I don't want to sign a new AST because I have been offered a flat by the HA but have no date to move yet.

    They at first said they will come round on Wednesday and It's a legal requirement that I must sign because I have no date to move out. (no date because the HA haven't gave me one yet , it's now over two months since they said I could have the flat. Housing officer is on holiday. )

    Then before I could chirp up and say 'no it is not' the lady said ok leave it with me I can understand your position and I'll get back to you.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 12th Apr 18, 11:52 AM
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    Remember that their ultimate 'sanction' is eviction.., which they would be extremely silly to do but well, you can never rule it out. BUT even if they do try to evict you it will take at least three months to do so (depending on court waiting times it could be a lot longer) and will only improve your position on the housing list.

    It might be they have repairs to do on the flat.., sometimes this can take a ridiculous amount of time. But phone the council and ask if you can bid on other properties having already been made an offer if you want a chance at an alternative property.

    I wish the private rental sector was different but I am finding social housing is not overly regulated to make things workable for tenants, both seem to have huge loopholes it only takes a long expensive court case to resolve with no certainty of success. But at least social housing is yours for the long term once the probationary period is over.
    • Mr Gnu
    • By Mr Gnu 12th Apr 18, 12:13 PM
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    Remember that their ultimate 'sanction' is eviction.., which they would be extremely silly to do but well, you can never rule it out. BUT even if they do try to evict you it will take at least three months to do so (depending on court waiting times it could be a lot longer) and will only improve your position on the housing list.

    It might be they have repairs to do on the flat.., sometimes this can take a ridiculous amount of time. But phone the council and ask if you can bid on other properties having already been made an offer if you want a chance at an alternative property.

    I wish the private rental sector was different but I am finding social housing is not overly regulated to make things workable for tenants, both seem to have huge loopholes it only takes a long expensive court case to resolve with no certainty of success. But at least social housing is yours for the long term once the probationary period is over.
    Originally posted by deannatrois
    Eviction would be ok I think I might even get the keys by then hopefully!

    I think you're right about the repair scenario.They stopped me from bidding on any other properties.
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