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    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 19th Mar 18, 6:25 PM
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    PCN in own car park, please help!
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:25 PM
    PCN in own car park, please help! 19th Mar 18 at 6:25 PM
    Hi,

    I have read a lot of the FAQ threads and advice but would like to confirm I'm doing the right thing. There was a PCN on the car I am the registered keeper of on 10/2/18. I have unhelpfully ignored it until now due to frustration/being busy.

    The car was parked in the car park behind my block of flats. Recently, we received permits and signs went up to inform us that Premier Park Ltd would be monitoring the car park.

    Today I have received the notice to keeper. It seems to be in accordance with the paragraph of whatever, although unfortunately I can't find the original PCN to confirm that had all the required details.

    There is a permit in the car, though it had slipped from the dashboard onto the floor.

    I was planning to complete the appeal with the standardised template available on here, is that the correct thing to do?

    Just wanted to clarify I don't need to do anything differently as the car was parked in the resident's car park of the flats which the keeper of the vehicle is resident in.

    Hope this makes some sense!!
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
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    • #2
    • 19th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:32 PM
    I was planning to complete the appeal with the standardised template available on here, is that the correct thing to do?
    Yes, then try POPLA, you might lose, so what.

    Ignore them after that unless they try a claim, most are winnable. Premier Park are not prolific!

    What happened when you complained to your Managing Agent about this unwarranted load of tripe at your home:
    Recently, we received permits and signs went up to inform us that Premier Park Ltd would be monitoring the car park.
    You should be THIS angry about this entire rip-off cash cow threatening you, that you did not ask for, I am sure:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=74045411#post74045411

    Example letter I just wrote for someone being bothered by a solicitor and PPC harassment.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 19th Mar 18, 6:44 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:44 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:44 PM
    I have intermittently been incredibly riled up at the company managing the property, this might be the push I need to send them an angry letter. Thank you!
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 19th Mar 18, 6:49 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:49 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:49 PM
    What does your lease/AST say abut parking/permits? This will have primacy of contract over anything a third party (the scammers) may say.

    It is very important.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 19th Mar 18, 6:51 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:51 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:51 PM
    Should I also note that there was a permit that had slipped?
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 19th Mar 18, 6:52 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:52 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:52 PM
    I have lived here for over a year - leasehold. As the permits were only introduced approximately 3 months ago and I have never received new paperwork I suspect the formal documents don't say anything.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Mar 18, 6:54 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:54 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:54 PM
    Should I also note that there was a permit that had slipped?
    Originally posted by NurseRhi
    Nonononono, and more no. Just the template.

    I have lived here for over a year - leasehold. As the permits were only introduced approximately 3 months ago and I have never received new paperwork I suspect the formal documents don't say anything.
    Originally posted by NurseRhi
    I would write to the MA and ask why they have inflicted without consent, an ex-clamper firm into the development, and what steps have they taken to ensure PP don't operate against the residents by targeting them, and why they have not simply created a 'white list' of VRNs that are exempt/owned by the residents. Rather than expect residents to display a permit which puts them at risk of a PCN of 100 as soon as it 'slips down' when anyone leans on the car...like clampers used to, years ago.

    State that this is a derogation from grant as you have primacy of contract. If you have been sent a permit, return it and say you opt out and refuse to allow this nuisance & harassment.

    How do you THINK that permit slipped down then? Think about it, what clampers used to do...

    Maybe only complain AFTER you've written a simple email asking nicely for the MA to step in & cancel. Try the nice approach first, then if they refuse, you have grounds to really bare your teeth and snarl!
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 19-03-2018 at 6:59 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
    ... and dig out your lease/AST. It is crucial that you do what you are being told.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
    • Redx
    • By Redx 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
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    • 19th Mar 18, 6:56 PM
    Should I also note that there was a permit that had slipped?
    Originally posted by NurseRhi

    no , it is there job to prove their case, do not help them

    they are "supposedly" employed to keep unwanted cars out of the car park, not to harass residents

    DEFINITELY complain to the MA and get them to cancel it on the basis that residents do not have to suffer these issues and there is nothing in the lease that was signed about showing permits etc
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:05 PM
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    Hello, hoping for further advice -

    As expected, my appeal to the company was rejected, I have a number for a POPLA appeal...

    I've found a section in my lease agreement that seems to guarantee me the right to park with no limitations and no mention of permits - is this all I need to put in my appeal?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 5:21 PM
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    No, it's not.

    It is one point, then after that:

    - the fact the regime was 'recent' (how recent) and that no sufficient time was allowed for residents to familiarise themselves with any signage which was new to the location. Should have had much more prominent signs alerting people to the 100 onerous term.

    - the fact that the paperwork that came with the permit did not warn of 100 charge nor refer to additional terms on signage at all, which therefore cannot be bolted on to the permit scheme, due to the charge not being brought adequately to the notice of residents

    - the usual templates about no landowner authority, and dodgy signs.

    BTW, why on EARTH did the residents agree to this nuisance being imposed on you? Serious question, - WHY have you (a resident with prior free rights to park) agreed to display a permit at all, and become possibly 'liable' for horrendous charges from an ex-clamper on the loose?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:25 PM
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    Did not get given a choice - just a letter from the management company informing us that there were now permits required...
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 5:31 PM
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    Not allowed to do that without consultation and agreement of the leaseholders.

    Are you a tenant or a leasehold owner?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 9th Apr 18, 5:38 PM
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    Is this a Housing Association? If so, and they are a registered charity, complain to The Charity Commissioners.

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and another company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    Hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:45 PM
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    Leasehold owner.

    I would love to know legalities as would like to fight the MA for the parking people to be got rid of.

    I'm writing my POPLA appeal - there are 2 boxes, each with 2000 word limit so I'm unable to just copy and paste template appeals from on here?

    Thank you for all your help!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Apr 18, 5:46 PM
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    Please search the forum for 2000 characters POPLA before one of us regulars self combusts!!

    Also, why are you even on the POPLA website yet, before you've even read post #3 of the NEWBIES thread? Before you have read you put it in as a PDF uploaded under 'other' and before you have even shown us the draft?

    Why do you think there are long POPLA templates, if no-one can enter more than 2000 characters?! Obviously that is NOT an issue. Stop rushing. Read the info here already.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 09-04-2018 at 5:50 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:47 PM
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    Not a housing association sadly.
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:51 PM
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    Had read it but not noticed this: "These then get saved as PDFs and uploaded to POPLA under OTHER (ONLY) - do not think you only have 2000 characters in some box on the POPLA wepage!"

    Thanks!!
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 5:52 PM
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    Also sorry! All the questions must get annoying!
    • NurseRhi
    • By NurseRhi 9th Apr 18, 6:09 PM
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    If using the signage appeal grounds do you have to upload photos of signs at location?
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