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    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 7th Mar 18, 2:45 PM
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    LPG or OIL
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    • 7th Mar 18, 2:45 PM
    LPG or OIL 7th Mar 18 at 2:45 PM
    Starting from scratch renovating an old property...will be installing two multi fuel stoves...ideally one that can cook too...(any suggestions welcome on that.)....main question is we will need back up heating and hot water...so would you go oil or lpg...property is off grid for mains gas....it's a two up two down with ground floor bathroom......any rough estimates on cost also appreciated
    TIA
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    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 9th Mar 18, 8:31 AM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 8:31 AM
    No-one care to offer any helpful advise ?
    • fishybusiness
    • By fishybusiness 9th Mar 18, 9:06 AM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 9:06 AM
    Go look up the prices and energy content and you'll find lpg the more expensive fuel.

    Plus, the rules are more stringent if you want to put an lpg tank in your garden.

    http://www.nottenergy.com/energy_cost_comparison/
    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 9th Mar 18, 11:00 AM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 11:00 AM
    Go look up the prices and energy content and you'll find lpg the more expensive fuel.

    Plus, the rules are more stringent if you want to put an lpg tank in your garden.

    http://www.nottenergy.com/energy_cost_comparison/
    Originally posted by fishybusiness
    Not necessarily. The prices on the nottenergy site are very out of date.

    I paid 30ppl for LPG yesterday. The current oil price seems to be about 47ppl. Allowing for the difference in energy content, they work out about the same.

    Also LPG boilers are about half the price of oil boilers and emit less CO2.

    However, I agree about the siting of the bulk tank.
    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 9th Mar 18, 12:43 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 12:43 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 12:43 PM
    Well this is hopefully going to be our forever home as my username suggests...so I want to get it right...deffo pros and cons for both, but it needs doing at some point as I am.looking towards the future and thinking when we finally reach oap stage we will need something reliable and ease of use.....the land the property lies on is quite sloped do the tanks of either oil or lpg have to higher or level with the property.....as don't see how the fuel will be pumped to the house if it's on lower ground..??
    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 9th Mar 18, 1:02 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 1:02 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 1:02 PM
    LPG is pressurised so the tank can be at any height.

    Oil will need to be pumped if the tank is lower than the boiler. I'm not familiar with oil boilers, but I believe that most of them have an internal pump that will lift the oil a short distance.
    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 9th Mar 18, 1:43 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 1:43 PM
    Are all oil boilers floor standing......?
    Lpg boilers wall mounted....?
    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 9th Mar 18, 4:06 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 4:06 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 4:06 PM
    You can get floor standing and wall mounted in either type
    • fishybusiness
    • By fishybusiness 9th Mar 18, 4:27 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 4:27 PM
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    • 9th Mar 18, 4:27 PM
    Not necessarily. The prices on the nottenergy site are very out of date.
    The link is only an example of what is available for the op to go look for - not a defintive price comparison link.

    I bought 47kg of lpg yesterday, pretty much the price I always pay.

    I wouldn't buy our boiler oil now, the prices have gone nuts, look at the price change through the year and oil starts to look cheaper again.

    So, yes at this time of year prices compare, other times of year they really don't.
    • Richmc
    • By Richmc 20th Mar 18, 2:29 PM
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    No-one care to offer any helpful advise ?
    Originally posted by moving1moretime
    We have oil for heating only (back up for hot water) so we can buy cheap in the summer and shop around, 1800L tank.

    We have solar PV with a Wattstor battery system so feed virtually nothing back to the grid and have 6kW to use in the evening, also we heat the water with the PV when possible.

    We have a gas hob, a 19Kg bottle lasts two years or so, an electric oven powered by PV or the batteries when available. Slow cooker for stews soups etc. Free to use with solar.

    Insulated up to our arm pits so we have gone from low D to high B on the EPC.

    We are happy and warm bunnies.

    One other point LPG leak + match = boom. Oil leak + match = nothing but a bad smell for a few days.
    Last edited by Richmc; 20-03-2018 at 2:32 PM.
    • Richmc
    • By Richmc 20th Mar 18, 2:36 PM
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    LPG is pressurised so the tank can be at any height.

    Oil will need to be pumped if the tank is lower than the boiler. I'm not familiar with oil boilers, but I believe that most of them have an internal pump that will lift the oil a short distance.
    Originally posted by Mister G
    This is so the oil tank doesn't need to be elevated the flow is quite slow so the pump does the job.
    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 20th Mar 18, 5:51 PM
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    One other point LPG leak + match = boom. Oil leak + match = nothing but a bad smell for a few days.
    Originally posted by Richmc
    But don't forget the Environment Agency and other charges for cleaning up the oil pollution.
    • Richmc
    • By Richmc 20th Mar 18, 5:59 PM
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    But don't forget the Environment Agency and other charges for cleaning up the oil pollution.
    Originally posted by Mister G
    If you don't spill it there's no problem. A good quality bunded tank takes care of that. I had a MINOR leak neat to the boiler, smelt it, called my engineer, fixed, no problem.
    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 20th Mar 18, 8:46 PM
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    Many thanks for the replies ....it all helps
    • topsales
    • By topsales 21st Mar 18, 9:08 PM
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    I would say that judging by the propane supply problems this winter go for oil. I had oil for years - never any problem. This year - Calor gas at 40p per litre! - but have now almost run out with no delivery in sight.
    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 21st Mar 18, 10:40 PM
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    Thanks....sincerely hope your able to source a supply soon
    • mnbvcxz
    • By mnbvcxz 27th Mar 18, 5:34 PM
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    Yup last twenty years or so I believe the sensible choices in order has been,


    Draught prevention and insulation
    mains gas
    oil
    wood/coal stove (plus lots of effort carrying)
    lpg
    economy 7 electric storage heaters
    pure electric

    If you put oil central heating in a house and used it plenty twenty years ago then it was the right choice.

    Of course no one knows for sure what the future will hold. Oil may become expensive again or cheap. It hard to guess.

    There are fixed costs as well. Central heating and a boiler, even if it lasts twenty years, requires a large upfront cost plus maintenance and repairs. So you have to use quite a lot of energy for it to be worth it. (Traditional UK houses leak heat so it has not been a problem for most, but a well insulated house might not use enough heat to be worth it). By comparison pure electric is dirt cheap to add a radiator but high marginal costs.

    Just to complicate things electric heat pumps are currently being positioned as the future. Are they practical yet? Its hard to know. Small cheap ones produce hot air, medium expensive ones produce luke warm water to slowly heat up a well insulated house and expensive ones produce extra hot water. The costs of some may be defrayable with the rhi subsidy. But will they work/be installed correctly? You know where you are with oil. Heats pumps are more of a gamble.

    So its tricky but good luck,

    (And remember to stop up those draughts first, but remember the anti damp draughts....)
    • Tabbytabitha
    • By Tabbytabitha 27th Mar 18, 6:27 PM
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    You could also use reversible air conditioning units for heating. Very cheap to run and wonderfully cool in summer.
    • Ebe Scrooge
    • By Ebe Scrooge 29th Mar 18, 8:47 AM
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    This thread may be of interest to the OP : http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5816439
    I may not know much about art, but I know what I like.
    • moving1moretime
    • By moving1moretime 2nd Apr 18, 4:48 PM
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    Most helpful..thank you
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