good quality kitchen - what is most important

Can't get anywhere because of the snow so have been reading various threads on new kitchens, what is the best quality kitchen etc, and got to wondering - what is the most important factor in ensuring you end up with a good, quality, kitchen? Is it:

Design / layout
Carcass construction
Doors
Installation
Or something else? Or all of them?
(not thinking as far ahead as worktops, appliances, tiling etc)

Most emphasis seems to be on pretty coloured doors and 'storage solutions'. Even with the independent retailers I've visited. Maybe just approaching them wrong. There are lots of recommendations for DIY kitchens online for good quality, but am I going to end up with something that looks decent and functions well without professional planning? How do the trade merchants (Howdens, Benchmarx etc) stand on the planning and on the unit construction? Interested in other's thoughts
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  • aliby21 wrote: »
    Design / layout
    Carcass construction
    Doors
    Installation
    Or something else? Or all of them?
    (not thinking as far ahead as worktops, appliances, tiling etc)

    All of them are important if you want a long term solution.

    I used DIY kitchens, it was only the second kitchen I have ever designed, but I spent weeks on it, went through 20+ layouts, considered everything at length, and its (I think) perfect.

    Don't think that professional = automatically good, all it means is good at getting cash from people, either by being good at it, or a good salesman (or a mix of the 2)!
  • DaftyDuck
    DaftyDuck Posts: 4,609 Forumite
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    A cheap kitchen will last a long time if well-fitted, and can look nearly as good as an expensive one.

    An expensive one poorly fitted will look cheap from the outset, and will be rubbish in a couple of years...

    Good planning and fitting gets my vote!
  • I!!!8217;ve seen a cheap kitchen that was well fitted which was falling apart, they aren!!!8217;t as robust, using the cheapest grade of chipboard for example. But I am sure there is a lot of truth in the previous answer as long as the cheap kitchen is reasonable.
  • VfM4meplse
    VfM4meplse Posts: 34,269 Forumite
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    I used DIY kitchens, it was only the second kitchen I have ever designed, but I spent weeks on it, went through 20+ layouts, considered everything at length, and its (I think) perfect.
    10/10 for tenacity! I expect the more you design, the easier it gets...but I would not have the patience. Perhaps I've just seen too many DIY transfornation projects that make it look as easy as choosing a unit design :o
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  • martinsurrey
    martinsurrey Posts: 3,368 Forumite
    VfM4meplse wrote: »
    10/10 for tenacity! I expect the more you design, the easier it gets...but I would not have the patience. Perhaps I've just seen too many DIY transfornation projects that make it look as easy as choosing a unit design :o

    Its a pretty large kitchen, 14m of worktop, we got a general layout pretty quickly and then the next 15 versions were tweaks to that, its not easy, a lot of little things all add up to make it look just right.

    A design for a rental or a space where you are limited in what you can do I'm sure its easier.

    A cheap kitchen can look good the day after its installed, if done well, but general wear and tear (especially if you have a family) and a lot quickly look tired, hinges start to drop, doors delaminate after the 10th cup of juice is spilled on them.
  • Ramona123
    Ramona123 Posts: 40 Forumite
    I agree with Martinsurrey, a professional sales man is just that, they will try and get as much money from you as possible and don't really care that much about your plan as long as they can squeeze some units in. You are much better off planning it yourself as you'll know exactly where you want things. DIY seem to have a kitchen planner now as well that does all the hard work:-)
  • Detroit
    Detroit Posts: 790 Forumite
    Cheap versus expensive depends to some extent on how important it is to you that it looks current.

    Trends in kitchen styles seem to changing more quickly over the last decade, for example, the shiny minimalist designs are starting to look dated already.

    If this sort of thing matters to you, cheaper and change after a few years may be an option.


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  • DaftyDuck
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    It also depends what you are getting for "cheap" and "expensive", how well you've bargained, what corners you cut.

    If you want ultra-cheap that lasts... build one yourself, from scratch! I built a pine wood solid kitchen in a cottage in 1995. I saw the house on Right move a couple of years ago, and the kitchen was not only the same, but was counted as a feature of the house. Doors had been painted, that was all.

    Total cost for 18 floor and wall cupboards made solidly of wood, frames, shelves, doors, the lot, excluding sink (reused), but including hinges, catches, handles, work surface (recycled tiles... it was a fashion then!), was just over £300. There was a huge timber yard in King's Lynn, five miles away, that did imports, had their own ship then, too, so they had vast quantities of offcuts and debris that they sold on for peanuts.

    Kitchen is still there, still as it was, 23 years later.

    Of course, that price makes no allowance for building and fitting time. That lengthy time almost cost me my marriage! :D:p
  • aliby21
    aliby21 Posts: 321 Forumite
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    mmm, lots of interesting points to ponder. not least that I need to be paying as much if not more attention to fitting and planning. I don't think I am brave enough to design myself too many fiddly bits to get wrong, and certainly not going to make one myself - i can put up a shelf, as long as you don't want it straight, so dread to think what damage I'd do with a kitchen :rotfl: Hats off to those who do though!
  • kerri_gt
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    Another way of thinking about it is that it doesn't matter how expensive, fancy, full of features a kitchen is if the layout doesn't work for the type of kitchen intended (cooks kitchen, entertainment / socialising area, small but functions etc). Where would cooking pots / pans be stored in relation to the hob and oven for example, where would a dishwasher go in relation to the sink (although usually they are close due to plumbing) etc.
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