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    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 12th Feb 18, 4:20 PM
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    Modernising kitchen on a budget
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:20 PM
    Modernising kitchen on a budget 12th Feb 18 at 4:20 PM
    We have a small galley kitchen that we'd like to spruce up without spending a fortune.

    We'd be looking at new units, new surfaces & new splashbacks minimum. A new induction hob and new flooring are maybes if the above can be done cheaply.

    Am totally blinded by all the choice out there: we really don't want to spend much (- maybe £2-3k? I just dunno how much these things cost) as we are not going to be there more than a couple of years. So we are looking at the cheaper end, but just wondering where we will get best value.

    Happy to arrange a fitter separately but would ideally like to buy everything in one place rather than units here, and surfaces there etc. If we can get it fitted well by the supplier too then all the better.

    As a first step we have taken Wickes up on their free design service just to see what they come up with.

    Any further recommendations most appreciated.

    PS. we are in Greater London.
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    • Debbie Savard
    • By Debbie Savard 12th Feb 18, 7:02 PM
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    Check Ebay, loads of peeps offloading kitchens with fittings just to have the latest fashion
    • andyhop
    • By andyhop 12th Feb 18, 8:03 PM
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    Your budget does not match the actual value of work

    Kitchens average closer to 7-10k
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    • tacpot12
    • By tacpot12 12th Feb 18, 8:37 PM
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    Buying the parts and services separately will be much cheaper than paying one supplier to do the entire job. You are saving the cost of the project management and coordination time. These are not usually priced in any transparent manner, so you end up paying a very high price for them. You might find a good kitchen fitter who will do the PM work for a fair price. Personal recommendations based on similar projects would be the way to find the right fitter.
    • Help1234
    • By Help1234 12th Feb 18, 11:07 PM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 11:07 PM
    Your budget does not match the actual value of work

    Kitchens average closer to 7-10k
    Originally posted by andyhop
    We are getting a Howdens kitchen, solid oak worktops, Belfast sink and appliances, and fitting for under £4000.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 13th Feb 18, 2:45 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 2:45 PM
    Thanks for the replies all - we've also been recommended Benchmarx, above Ikea at a similar price.
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 13th Feb 18, 3:28 PM
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    I think the budget is ambitious too.

    About 5 days to fit and finish a kitchen, so your talking about £1000 in labour. If theres any electrical work involved it could get real expensive making it part p compliant.


    Youll find out soon enough when you get the wickes quotes. You wont get it fitted from a DIY shed for that price. Removal and disposal will come in at £500 alone from those places.

    I used to try and pre warn customers about fitting costs, the rough rule of thumb we (a diy shed) used was the cost of the kitchen again. So if you where spending £5k on your kitchen, fitted it would be £10k.

    Ways to cut costs:

    Look at getting your own handles/knobs some people pay £15 per handle, thats £150+ in your average kitchen.
    Avoid expertise work (try and work round the current electrics and plumbing.)
    Remove as much as you can yourself.
    Avoid tiling (labour intesive), certainly intricate stuff (mosaics).
    Taps etc are usually cheaper on ebay although quality is hit and miss.
    If you go for things like soft close drawers, by them yourself (ebay etc) and fit it, Its usually only a few screws but adds up on fitters time.

    You can get ex display kitchens and few year old kitchens fairly cheaply although probably worth getting your fitter to look over quality.

    The alternative is in the DIY sheds theyll have returned/slightly damaged packs which usually get sold cheaply, sometimes its a few missing screws which can be easily bought at a fraction of the mark down. Also worth asking about discontinued stock theyre holding (more doors and drawer fronts than carcasses) which might offer some savings but will be limited in whats available.

    Ive heard storied of someone being charged £500 to fit a toilet in london which makes the £2-3k budget seem just a bit too ambitious.
    Don't be angry!
    • tonyh66
    • By tonyh66 13th Feb 18, 4:35 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 4:35 PM
    also check gumtree, people changing kitchen shove their old ones on there.
    keep the cabinets, change the doors. An induction hob is going to cost £500 alone unless you self fit. Even then you may need to upgrade the electric circuit to cope with it.
    Last edited by tonyh66; 13-02-2018 at 4:38 PM.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 13th Feb 18, 6:41 PM
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    This is a money saving forum so let us all do a Robert Peston and make a statement of the bleedin obvious. There is currently a kitchen in the home which will be functioning to some extent. OP says they will have moved within "a couple of years" So why even touch the kitchen? Why not put the kitchen budget towards the next home? Indeed doing this may make the next home affordable even sooner.
    • jennifernil
    • By jennifernil 13th Feb 18, 11:19 PM
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    Unless the kitchen is dire, I would agree.

    Tastes in kitchens vary widely, what you choose will not be what everyone wants. It the kitchen is old, they can justify changing it to what they want, more difficult if they have paid more for the property to reflect the fact it has a fairly new kitchen.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 14th Feb 18, 4:25 PM
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    This is a money saving forum so let us all do a Robert Peston and make a statement of the bleedin obvious. There is currently a kitchen in the home which will be functioning to some extent. OP says they will have moved within "a couple of years" So why even touch the kitchen? Why not put the kitchen budget towards the next home? Indeed doing this may make the next home affordable even sooner.
    Originally posted by Furts
    Fair point.
    It's mission drift: we started off thinking exactly this, then I saw how cheap new laminate surfaces were in Ikea, and then...
    • Grenage
    • By Grenage 14th Feb 18, 4:29 PM
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    We replaced out cabinet doors, work-surface and flooring for under a grand. It was done simply for the purposes of selling the house, and it made a big difference for relatively little.

    The doors were Howdens, and the flooring was vinyl from Wickes.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 15th Feb 18, 12:58 PM
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    We replaced out cabinet doors, work-surface and flooring for under a grand. It was done simply for the purposes of selling the house, and it made a big difference for relatively little.

    The doors were Howdens, and the flooring was vinyl from Wickes.
    Originally posted by Grenage
    Yes this is the sort of thing I was thinking.
    But I've never quite understood it when people say they just replaced cabinet doors: surely then you have a mismatch with the frames, sidewalls, bases, etc?
    I was also thinking we could just paint ours, although have received conflicting advice on how easy this is to get right.
    • Grenage
    • By Grenage 15th Feb 18, 1:03 PM
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    Well the plinths are generally neutral, and blank panels are replaced at the same time. You can paint doors, and it can look decent, but it's obviously more work. I had much more success taking off the plastic coating with a heat gun (it comes off in seconds), and painting the MDF beneath.

    My sister painted the doors directly, and it looked bloody awful.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 15th Feb 18, 5:13 PM
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    Well the plinths are generally neutral, and blank panels are replaced at the same time. You can paint doors, and it can look decent, but it's obviously more work. I had much more success taking off the plastic coating with a heat gun (it comes off in seconds), and painting the MDF beneath.

    My sister painted the doors directly, and it looked bloody awful.
    Originally posted by Grenage
    haha, yes I have heard that painting laminate / melamine type finishes can be a bit of a hiding to nothing - even if you get a good finish, it chips easily etc. But I've also heard people say its worked well for them.

    Ours are quite old-fashioned units - well, 1990s probably - with thick frames and plinths all in the same pine-effect laminate. Several sidewalls are visible too.

    With surfaces: am I right in thinking that if you get the same thickness you could replace them without having to re-tile?
    Last edited by zoothornrollo; 15-02-2018 at 5:55 PM.
    • Furts
    • By Furts 15th Feb 18, 5:41 PM
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    With surfaces: am I right in thinking that if you get the same thickness you could replace them without having to re-tile?
    Originally posted by zoothornrollo
    Possible, but unlikely. This is because the worktop gets fitted back to the wall, then the tiles go over the top of the worktop. This hides any gaps. Silicone sealant is usually applied as a bead which effectively joins both the worktop and tiles together.

    If you cut away the silicone, you may be lucky. This also depends how tight the tiles are to the worktop - they are probably sat on it. So as you lever out the worktop you are likely to crack the tiles.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 16th Feb 18, 9:35 AM
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    Understood, thanks
    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 16th Feb 18, 10:30 AM
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    We've toyed with the idea of updating our kitchen (as in new doors and drawer fronts and worktops) as we will be selling within a couple of years. But the kitchen is quite small. There's an option for a buyer to knock through into the current dining room and make a much bigger kitchen diner. Would cost quite a bit for us to do, and who knows if we'd pick something our future purchasers would want. So I think we'll probably leave it as it is and let somebody else decide what they want to do. I still love it anyway as it was my choice, and far nicer than the nasty 1970s dark wood effect melamine it replaced, but it's nearly 20 years old now and tastes have changed. I may update the handles with something a bit more modern which wouldn't cost much.
    • bris
    • By bris 16th Feb 18, 6:08 PM
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    For a budget DIY job I use Trade-point. Pick everything up in store for under a grand. I can fit myself so just time needed.


    Kitchens are for all budgets, the IT trade point (B&Q) range is about as budget as you can get but they aren't actually that bad. Everything from their best selling ranges are in stock to take away. They even have software you can download to see what you need.


    If you need it delivered though they are the worst suppliers for that, 3-4 weeks is the norm and their is usually something missing. This is the case even on stocked ranges so can't quite figure out why their delivery service is so bad.
    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 19th Feb 18, 12:18 PM
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    For a budget DIY job I use Trade-point. Pick everything up in store for under a grand. I can fit myself so just time needed.


    Kitchens are for all budgets, the IT trade point (B&Q) range is about as budget as you can get but they aren't actually that bad. Everything from their best selling ranges are in stock to take away. They even have software you can download to see what you need.


    If you need it delivered though they are the worst suppliers for that, 3-4 weeks is the norm and their is usually something missing. This is the case even on stocked ranges so can't quite figure out why their delivery service is so bad.
    Originally posted by bris
    Thanks for that, v useful, I'll take a look
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