We'd like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum... Read More »
We're aware that some users are experiencing technical issues which the team are working to resolve. See the Community Noticeboard for more info. Thank you for your patience.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Funds for idiots
Options
Comments
-
You've spoken about Ida's and maybe needing the cash back out to use as working capital for your business, you have also mentioned saving towards retirement.
Depending on you age and what you can spare a Pension might be worth looking at.
Are you self employed or is it a Ltd company?
Advantages and disadvantages but may be an option for some of the money.0 -
Ltd company. I've not looked into pension or sipp as of yet however have an unwillingness to lock money into a scheme where I may be penalised unfairly in future. Who knows what government will be in charge when I'm ready to retire. Atleast with an isa investment it's already been taxed!
As I say above I seem to have 2 seperate goals. It wouldn't be a case of panic selling in a downturn. That is when I would likely need the cash for opportunities in business. So really I need to find something low risk that keeps up with inflation for this.
Second goal would be to start making investments in one of these funds/trackers of which vanguard appears to be the 'fit and forget' choice. Am I right in thinking the exit goal with this type of investment is to sell/draw down when you eventually need it? How long have these funds been around for? I read they are owned by the investors. I worry will they still be around in 30-40 years?!0 -
Vanguard, for example, have ben going since the 70s I think in the US. It is the US investors that own it BTW, not investors outside US so you wouldn't be an "owner".
Even if Vanguard were not around in 20/30 years time - so what? All that would happen is Vanguard announce they are to cease trading, you sell your Vanguard funds (all they do is own shares in hundreds / thousands of companies + Bonds etc) and buy L&G or HSBC or any of the other thousands of funds on offer from other providers. In fact this is no different whether it is via a Pension or via an ISA.
If you don't think that is a long enough track record to indicate they are here for the long haul look at Investment Trusts, some of those have been around for over a 100 years.
I take your point about tying money up in a pension (can't be accessed until 55 at the moment, will probably rise to SP age - 10 years so say 57/58 at some stage), but there are significant tax advantages particularly if your Ltd company makes the contribution as an employer thus reducing taxable profits.0 -
So just being clear if vanguard or any other fund were to announce they were to cease trading the fund would not drop in value as a share would with bad news? Does this mean the value of the fund on any given day is effectively the value of all the shares and bonds the funds hold? There is no premium built into the price?
What I do think I need to do is open Lisa for this route asap. Although I have already funded s&as isa this year although not maxed. If I have 30 years of working left then 30*5000 150k of which I've only had to put 120k in. Obviously plus any gains from investment. Is this Lisa designed to help people save for retirement specifically self employed who wouldn't benefit from generous employers schemes?0 -
Yes just seen ISA limit increasing. All of a sudden might not be maxing out ISA limit each year, quite a commitment!
The ISA limit isn't increasing, it's staying at £20k as per this year. It was previously just over £15k. I wouldn't expect the level to rise further in the near future.
It's certainly easy enough to have funds and shares in the same ISA with Halifax or iweb so that's not a problem.
However if you have your own business then a pension may be a better option for tax efficiency?Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.0 -
So just being clear if vanguard or any other fund were to announce they were to cease trading the fund would not drop in value as a share would with bad news? Does this mean the value of the fund on any given day is effectively the value of all the shares and bonds the funds hold? There is no premium built into the price?
The fund price is the sum of all the constituent investment values on that particular day, at a particular time. Many publish their "price" at around Noon based on previous days market closing prices so not a "real time" price.What I do think I need to do is open Lisa for this route asap. Although I have already funded s&as isa this year although not maxed. If I have 30 years of working left then 30*5000 150k of which I've only had to put 120k in. Obviously plus any gains from investment. Is this Lisa designed to help people save for retirement specifically self employed who wouldn't benefit from generous employers schemes?
LISA can only be opened by under 40s and can only be contributed to until Age 50 (from memory), and accessed from Age 60.
As I have said and Jim has said you can benefit from a "generous employer scheme" - you can be as generous to yourself as you want / can afford to be.
Mix and match might be your best option - Pension (via Ltd company), S&S ISA and/or LiSA plus retain a reasonable cash pot.0 -
Is there a thread or Best Buy for Lisa platform. I read the mse guide. I see nutmeg although at first glance it seemed a bit hybrid although seems popular on this forum. Likewise H&l is mentioned on mse guide but bad things said on forum0
-
Coming back to this i've done a bit more research and opened my LISA. (h&l in the end). Now to just pick a fund. Originally I fancied some of that vanguard LS but the more I look into it i'm steered towards an Index tracker. I'm relatively young, this 4k a year will amount to not a great percentage of my overall wealth and I have no desire to have a UK based weighting - Why do most investors preserve a UK weighting? I tend to think along the lines of, if the UK economy does poorly we will all feel the effects (higher prices, less investment etc etc) so why weight your investments to home country? I also don't see the need for the securities/bonds element of VLS for my LISA. I am already diversified in terms of holding cash so with this 4K a year in particular I think it's just sensible to chuck it into a cheap global tracker and let it do its thing. Sound sensible?
Hence I am looking at global trackers.
Fidelity Index World Fund P (what does the p stand for?) @ .13%
HSBC FTSE All-world Index Fund C (what does the c stand for?) @ .21%
What at the pro's and cons of both these? I like the fact the HSBC variant supposedly has an emerging market component. I don't like the fact it's nearly twice the price, but on such a small amount is it worth thinking about?
Are there any other funds I am missing which tick my boxes? I've basically just looked on Monevators best buy...
Thanks0 -
Vanguard LS 100 does not have Bonds, it is all Equities (but does have a UK bias).
Most people in developed markets / economies want an element of home bias as that is the currency they are earning and spending. Overseas investments introduce currency issues that can have a significant impact. If you are an investor living in, say Russia, you might want to deliberately avoid a home bias (or maybe any home exposure at all), preferring US / UK / EU / Japan etc instead.
The value of globally diversified UK investors' pots went up quite a lot post the Brexit vote but a lot of that increase was down to the relative value of £ v $ v € etc. As the £ fell the UK reported value of your investment in MSoft went up, the $ value of MSoft shares may not have changed.
Vanguard also offer a global / all world tracker as do many providers. Each will have a slightly different take on what "global" is and what an Emerging Market is.
Look at the specific breakdowns on the factsheets and/or Trustnet, Morningstar to get a feel for that.
Have a look at the Tracking Error as well, the closer to the Index return the better as matching the Index is your objective. Some will be tracking the same Index, some will track a different one so be aware when doing a direct comparison.
Worth noting that the typical global fund will be all large companies, might be worth having a smaller %'age in a Small Cap fund alongside to complement.0 -
Thanks. Yes I could look to diversify in my S&S Isa in future with the addition of small cap funds. I have looked at the breakdown but i'm afraid to say it doesn't mean a lot to me! The HSBC one seems to have a big UK weighting but I read it was global and included emerging markets. Rather than try and kill all birds with one stone it may be better to keep my LISA to a world index tracker, say fidelity, then add small cap, FTSE trackers etc in normal ISA0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply

Categories
- All Categories
- 350.8K Banking & Borrowing
- 253K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 453.4K Spending & Discounts
- 243.7K Work, Benefits & Business
- 598.5K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 176.8K Life & Family
- 256.9K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards