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Very disappointed with the news on APD in today's budget.
On a commercial flight, there are two rates of APD.
Long haul, this is currently £75 in Economy or £150 in Premium Economy.
From April 2018, this increases to £78 and £156.
From April 2019, Economy stays at £78 but Premium Economy goes up to £174. So that's an extra £96 tax if you want a comfortable seat.
Airlines are cramming more and more seats into their planes. Seat pitch has generally reduced from 34" to 31". Seats have got narrower as planes are being fitted with 10 seats across instead of 9 (B777) or 9 seats across instead of the planned 8 (B787 "Dreamliner")
Long haul economy has become unbearable for many of us, and Premium Economy should offer a reasonable amount of comfort for a reasonable supplement. Unfortunately, to get a Premium Economy seat, we will now have to pay an extra £96 tax, and that's got to be factored into the price the airline charges.
With PE typically costing an extra £200 each way, the tax on Premium Economy currently adds around 60% to the cost of a one way upgrade. The increase from 2019 will add about 75% to the cost of an upgrade.
Bizarrely, APD is the same whether you are in Premium Economy, Business, or First. A badly structured and unfair tax.
People wanting to fly PE or Business should consider flying to Dublin and starting their journey there.
On a commercial flight, there are two rates of APD.
Long haul, this is currently £75 in Economy or £150 in Premium Economy.
From April 2018, this increases to £78 and £156.
From April 2019, Economy stays at £78 but Premium Economy goes up to £174. So that's an extra £96 tax if you want a comfortable seat.
Airlines are cramming more and more seats into their planes. Seat pitch has generally reduced from 34" to 31". Seats have got narrower as planes are being fitted with 10 seats across instead of 9 (B777) or 9 seats across instead of the planned 8 (B787 "Dreamliner")
Long haul economy has become unbearable for many of us, and Premium Economy should offer a reasonable amount of comfort for a reasonable supplement. Unfortunately, to get a Premium Economy seat, we will now have to pay an extra £96 tax, and that's got to be factored into the price the airline charges.
With PE typically costing an extra £200 each way, the tax on Premium Economy currently adds around 60% to the cost of a one way upgrade. The increase from 2019 will add about 75% to the cost of an upgrade.
Bizarrely, APD is the same whether you are in Premium Economy, Business, or First. A badly structured and unfair tax.
People wanting to fly PE or Business should consider flying to Dublin and starting their journey there.
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Very disappointed with the news on APD in today's budget.
On a commercial flight, there are two rates of APD.
Long haul, this is currently £75 in Economy or £150 in Premium Economy.
From April 2018, this increases to £78 and £156.
From April 2019, Economy stays at £78 but Premium Economy goes up to £174. So that's an extra £96 tax if you want a comfortable seat.
Airlines are cramming more and more seats into their planes. Seat pitch has generally reduced from 34" to 31". Seats have got narrower as planes are being fitted with 10 seats across instead of 9 (B777) or 9 seats across instead of the planned 8 (B787 "Dreamliner")
Long haul economy has become unbearable for many of us, and Premium Economy should offer a reasonable amount of comfort for a reasonable supplement. Unfortunately, to get a Premium Economy seat, we will now have to pay an extra £96 tax, and that's got to be factored into the price the airline charges.
With PE typically costing an extra £200 each way, the tax on Premium Economy currently adds around 60% to the cost of a one way upgrade. The increase from 2019 will add about 75% to the cost of an upgrade.
Bizarrely, APD is the same whether you are in Premium Economy, Business, or First. A badly structured and unfair tax.
People wanting to fly PE or Business should consider flying to Dublin and starting their journey there.
Surely the increase is only £48 ie £24 each way.ITS NOT EASY TO GET EVERYTHING WRONG ,I HAVE TO WORK HARD TO DO IT!0 -
APD in PE in 2019 will be £24 more than it is today.
And it only applies on flights from the UK. You don't pay it on the return flight.
But the extra tax you will have to pay to travel PE instead of economy will increase from £75 to £94.
I think the APD for PE is already unfair. This increase makes it even worse than it is currently. A percentage of the basic fare would be proportionate and a fair system. This would correlate to distance flown and space occupied and would make it a greener tax.0 -
Long haul economy has become unbearable for many of us,
Then you need to get over yourself. Economy is what you make of it, it's rarely going to be comfortable but to suggest it is unbearable is ridiculous.0 -
Then you need to get over yourself. Economy is what you make of it, it's rarely going to be comfortable but to suggest it is unbearable is ridiculous.
No thanks. I don't need to "get over myself".
Economy should be comfortable. Why should you expect to be uncomfortable for 11 hours?
Many airlines now give you 82% of the space you had 15 years ago.
How tightly are you going to let them pack you in in order to get a cheap ticket?
Long haul economy has become unbearable for many of us. Clearly not for you.0 -
That really depends on the airline and the aircraft, you can't make a blanket statement either way. I've suffered through unbearable long-haul economy flights and I've had some very nice ones.Then you need to get over yourself. Economy is what you make of it, it's rarely going to be comfortable but to suggest it is unbearable is ridiculous.
Premium seats are hugely overpriced, especially premium economy. If you're paying £2,000 per ticket you can afford another £24.
It's also possible that airlines will take the hit on their profit margins rather than raise ticket prices, especially on the more competitive routes.0 -
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What a plonk. He could have cut benefit payments to the poor, single parents, disabled and old folk. Instead he puts up APD!!!.
Its hardly worth being rich anymore :-(0 -
budgetflyer wrote: »What a plonk. He could have cut benefit payments to the poor, single parents, disabled and old folk. Instead he puts up APD!!!.
Its hardly worth being rich anymore :-(
I'm certainly not rich. And I think the Government should be raising taxes. It's frightening that 7½ years on we are still running a budget deficit and will be doing so for at least a further 5 years. If individuals behaved this way they would be heading for the bankruptcy courts.
But taxes should be fair. Making someone pay almost £100 additional tax for an economy seat with a reasonable amount of space does not seem fair to me. The same tax that people in First or Business class pay. A percentage tax would be fairer IMO.
What's your opinion on this issue budgetflyer? Or can you only offer sarcasm?0 -
This is just yet again another unfair, indefensible progressive tax.
Why should anyone pay additional tax because they wish to pay more for a better service ? Why should HMRC be rewarded for that?Legal team on standby0
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