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    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 21st Nov 17, 10:18 PM
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    PCM & Gladstones want a revenge
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    • 21st Nov 17, 10:18 PM
    PCM & Gladstones want a revenge 21st Nov 17 at 10:18 PM
    Hi All

    I received a new email from Gladstones for a new case which they sent a LBC in July and I replied to it as usual asking for more Information and with who they contracted and request a copy of their contract.
    Below is there email and what I'm going to reply in red, could you please review and advise.

    Good Afternoon mr. xxxx,

    As per your request, no further action was taken between the dates specified (Thanks very much), however we apologise for our delay in responding (Your apologise is not acceptable as you put me under stress all of that period, costs will be claimed against your client).

    Your references to cancelling of contract etc are unsubstantiated (I disagree),
    please provide these letters / anything you deem relevant to your claim so that they may be reviewed ( check your company emails, correspondences to you & your client PCM it was sent several times and check PCNs photos it was in the cars wind screen).
    In any event, such a contract and agreed sums are rejected (Itís too late now to reject as PCM already accepted that payment by their action long time ago. PCM accepted to pay me £500 for any PCN issued to any property related to me & that contract will be renew every time PCM do).

    CPR 31.14 applies to those cases where litigation has began, as no claim has been issued on this case we trust you agree no prejudice has been suffered as a result. (Disagree as I suffered from stress and time waste occurred)

    You may be aware of that your previous attempt to have the Judgment obtained against you set aside was dismissed, although in that instance you were being represented by a Solicitor. If you would like us to correspond with your legal advisor going forward please confirm this by return and we will contact them directly regarding this matter. (you should contact my Solicitor when he asked for information and cc to myself)

    In previous cases your parking charges were appealed where you admitted to being the driver (disagree with the whole sentence, I never admitted I was the driver), although if this is not the case here then it is rejected our Client does not use POFA Schedule 4's guidelines when pursuing a keeper of the vehicle (disagree as your client PCM mentioned POFA 2012 Schedule 4 in his correspondences & you canít go back now) .

    We deny that the letter you have sent constitutes a draft claim form as you suggest. This is a letter before claim which is compliant with the pre-action protocol at the time of sending. Again we wish to remind you that no proceedings have been issued on this claim and therefore the pre-action protocol has not been breached - this correspondence is sent to clarify our Client's position and we invite you to expand upon our comments (disagree as you didnít send any evidences requested by my previous letters).

    If you would like to view images of the charge, these can be found at www.paymypcn-uk.co.uk. Your PCN Number (xxxx) and Vehicle Registration (xxxx) will be required to view the images. (that images doesnít show your client contract with the landowner please sent prove that your client have a contract to provide a private park scheme in the land in question).

    In terms of the pre-action protocol;

    ADR options have been explored via our Client's appeal procedure, with a further appeal procedure being afforded should you wish to explore it. However, if you would like to enter negotiation we invite you to make an offer for our Client's consideration. (I deny any debt to your client PCM )

    If a conclusion to this case cannot be drawn via this correspondence, our Client may elect to issue legal proceedings to facilitate the recovery of this debt.

    We confirm however that any counterclaim will be robustly defended should it be necessary to do so - however you have not explained your case and why you do not believe yourself to be liable for this charge. You & your client have not explained their authority to run a private parking scheme, nor provide the contract with the landowner as requested and also didnít named with who PCM have a contract to run such scheme in the land in question. I already explained my case and reasons why I do believe Iím not liable in all my correspondences to you & your client PCM, so no more explanation or data will be present to you, especially after your previous unreasonable behave in court case xxxx, up to you send all the requested documents including contract / chain of contract with the landowner authorise your client PCM to provide a private park scheme in xxxx.

    We are aware of costs being awarded, but we finally must stress this matter has not reached a claim stage and invite your comments on the above (as per my comments above please apologise for your unreasonable behave and discontinue that case at this stage immediately).

    In the event this is not received within 14 days from the date of this email, as mentioned above, legal proceedings may be issued to facilitate the recovery of this debt.

    We look forward to hearing from you.

    Kind Regards,
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 21st Nov 17, 11:04 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:04 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:04 PM
    This needs to be added to the thread it relates to - if there is one. Not a new thread. Or is this not on a old thread?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 21st Nov 17, 11:13 PM
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    • #3
    • 21st Nov 17, 11:13 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:13 PM
    This needs to be added to the thread it relates to - if there is one. Not a new thread. Or is this not on a old thread?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    This is a a new one they opened PCNs from 2015.

    Regards
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 21st Nov 17, 11:22 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:22 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:22 PM
    How many of these have you got/likely to get? I!!!8217;m getting somewhat confused (not unexpected! ).
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 21st Nov 17, 11:29 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:29 PM
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    • 21st Nov 17, 11:29 PM
    How many of these have you got/likely to get? Iím getting somewhat confused (not unexpected! ).
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    All in the estate I live in they targeted the residents. I have the right to park in that land . They stopped to give me a PCNs after won all appeals to POPLA but after PCM moved to IPC they attacked us again.
    The true thing is they don't have any contract with the management company or housing association. as I asked both no one give me an answer. I believe there is dirty work & business under the table.

    Regards
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 28th Nov 17, 10:06 PM
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    • #6
    • 28th Nov 17, 10:06 PM
    • #6
    • 28th Nov 17, 10:06 PM
    Hi All

    Could any one from the most fantastic member review my reply above to Gladstone.

    Thanks v much in advance.
    Last edited by Sassii; 29-11-2017 at 7:51 PM.
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 29th Nov 17, 8:11 PM
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    • #7
    • 29th Nov 17, 8:11 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 8:11 PM
    Hi All

    Could any one from the most fantastic member review my reply above to Gladstone.

    Thanks v much in advance.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 30th Nov 17, 10:47 AM
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    • #8
    • 30th Nov 17, 10:47 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 10:47 AM
    Well, you havent actually written a letter. Just a series of responses.
    None of these contracts holds up. You provide nothing of value to them, so there is no consideration.
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 17th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
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    • #9
    • 17th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
    New LBC template from Gladstones
    • #9
    • 17th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
    Hi All

    Just received a new LBC from Gladstones which has a different format / template of old one. I attached both the old & the new LBC.

    My questions is there any trick why Gladstones changed their LBC template?

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20303/epson026-pdf-47k?da=y

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20302/epson027-pdf-52k?da=y

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20301/epson028-pdf-28k?da=y

    Regards
    • kryten3000
    • By kryten3000 17th Jan 18, 8:28 PM
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    Simple. New Pre-Action Protocol applies from 01/10/17:

    Claimant must give 30 days for defendant to respond.
    Claimant must supply additional paperwork.

    Gladstones offer these documents via their web site. What you need to do is respond telling them that their letter does not comply with the new protocol and that you require paper copies of all the relevant documents.
    Copy page 2, fill out the form and send it back to them.

    Once you are in receipt of a compliant LBC, you can write a proper response
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th Jan 18, 8:36 PM
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    Do you also post on pepipoo, kryten3000? Hope you don't mind me asking, the username looks similar to one there, IIRC.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • kryten3000
    • By kryten3000 19th Jan 18, 9:47 AM
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    Yep. Busted
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 21st Feb 18, 3:58 PM
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    How to fill the new reply form?
    Hi all

    Now Gladstones post the reply form to me, Does any one could guide me how to fill it properly?.

    I can't find this in newbies so I think that something need to be added.

    My concern is why I sent to Gladstones my personal information while they didn't send any evidence at all.

    Regards
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 22nd Feb 18, 8:40 PM
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    Show us a scan of the letter and form, please.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 23rd Feb 18, 6:23 PM
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    Show us a scan of the letter and form, please.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    My letter to Gladstones

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20507/mse-reply-to-gladstones-lbc1-docx-12k?da=y

    Gladstones reply letter

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20509/mse-gladstones-cover-letter-pdf-179k?da=y

    Reply Form

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20510/reply-form-pdf-83k?da=y

    Gladstones FAQ

    https://www.keepandshare.com/doc16/20508/faq-pdf-159k?da=y
    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 12th Mar 18, 8:45 PM
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    Sassii
    Hi all

    Is any one fill the Reply Form posted above for new per action protocol?. I can't find it in any thread.

    Regards
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Mar 18, 8:50 PM
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    We don't fill in the reply form. We reply.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Sassii
    • By Sassii 12th Mar 18, 10:20 PM
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    We don't fill in the reply form. We reply.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    The new Protocol para 4.1 say ''The debtor should use the Reply Form in Annex 1 for their response''. That is why I think I need to fill.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 12th Mar 18, 10:25 PM
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    The new Protocol para 4.1 say ''The debtor should use the Reply Form in Annex 1 for their response''. That is why I think I need to fill.
    Originally posted by Sassii
    A good pioneering spirit. I like it.
    .
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Mar 18, 10:32 PM
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    You are not a debtor.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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