Marshall BMW Customer

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Hi my names Lee,

I have a story to tell about a car I bought on finance, and am now stuck/struggling with through no fault ofy own and am looking for advice. I'll explain but it is a rather long winded story.

I bought a 2008 e92 BMW 330I IN 2015 from an auto trader ad, the company selling the car was called autocentre100 I believe, the car had 72000 miles and came with a full service history, looked well maintained, sounded fine no previous crashes or issues. I financed the car via "close brothers motor finance" not my best decision but I was capable of the repayments and as the car was not that old and in vgc I felt confident I would pay the car off before any real problems arose.

I have had the car two years, run it up to 93000 miles and in that time, I have had to replace all the wheels, I found out after going through two tyres my wheels had cracked/split and had been previously repaired, (badly). I found out this was a manufacturers defect but BMW are unwilling to compensate customers for this. So I bit the bullet and bought a new set of different wheels. Now about 6 weeks ago, my car started to run rough from cold, I took the car to a German car specialist (as I know dealerships are pricey) to get it diagnosed. They came back with a report saying the car needed 6 new fuel injectors and a sensor at a cost of £2200. I was a bit shocked at this and when I asked the mechanic he said its a known fault with this model that the OEM BMW parts break, so with this information I rang BMW, found out my car did have a recall notice for this part, but that it had had the work done in 2009, and that only 5 of the injectors were replaced.

So deflated that the car would still potentially need the injectors replacing I got a second opinion from another independent garage, they came up with the same result, replace all injectors. But I got a cheaper quote at £1800. With this still being a big sum of money for what was not even that old of a car, I decided I would head to a BMW dealership and be 100% sure that if this was the issue, I knew I was paying for the right work. After BMW had the car for a week, they came back saying it only actually needed one injector, at £600, this seemed logical as he car had had 5 replaced at the recall, it made sense that it may only need one. So happy with this I gave BMW permission to carry the work out. Got the car back, drove home, did some work to get it through MOT, (needed a replacement shock absorber) next day I planned to drive it back for the retest, started the car, and the same rough running issue comes back, but this time with an engine management light.

So i take the car back to BMW, explain the problem, leave it with them, (adding that I'm not happy). While they had the car I checked out my dashcam footage, and I noted that when I explained to BMW that the car was running rough from cold, they had started the car, drove it and cleaned it before giving it to the mechanic, I even have voiceover of the mechanic getting in the car, starting it and saying, " oh great, can't do the cold start now" at which point he realised I had a dashcam and unplugged it.

BMW rang me a week later and said the car would need a new high pressure fuel pump, at £800+ as you can imagine at this point I was rather disappointed as I'm spending close to the original garages quotes. But I needed the car and wanted it fixed, so I said carry on. Get it working. Another week goes by, but this time BMW say that the car is making a strange sound, so I go and check the car out, the engine sounds like its struggling, badly, the pitch was changing and it sounded really loud in the engine bay. I said this isn't right, something is wrong, so they asked to keep the car to do more tests, but I explained to them I can't afford any more money to repair it, and explained how they had neglected to follow my instruction on recreating the problems, and that each time they called, there was yet another cost.

So yet another week goes by, BMW replaced the low pressure sensor at cost, after doing this, the car would no longer start, so they then replaced an "atmospheric" sensor again at cost. After all this, it seemed to be OK, but credit to BMW they said, we would like to keep it another day to test it from cold to make sure all is OK. Next day I get a call, the car is still having issues, we need to keep it longer. After another week (week 4) they come back to me and say it needs another injector, which they again did at cost. But yet again, this doesn't fix the issue, so I said to them, find out what's going on, because this is just one problem after another, it almost seems like they are guessing at this point. After another week, (week 5!) BMW call, and say, the car needs all the injectors replacing, (like the original quotes from the original garages) and that it needs de-coking as fuel has been leaking past the injectors, this all comes out at a whopping £4500 to fix.

At this point I'm beyond belief, and am unsure what the best course of action is, I have raised a form with the motor ombudsman service which BMW are apart of, but at this point I wonder what i will gain from any of this. Considering the car is still on finance, and the repair cost is around half the value of the car. Anyone have any advice?

Parts of the story may seem distorted as well as this has been such a long and drawn out process im struggling to recall all the details. Any help is much appreciated, Lee
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  • k3lvc
    k3lvc Posts: 4,174 Forumite
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    So in summary you bought a (fairly) high end motor 2+ years ago that's now 9 years old, have done 20k+ miles in it and are starting to rack up some running costs ?


    What's the current bill looking like when compared to the value of the car ?
  • Herzlos
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    Sounds like an occupational hazard for a 9 year old car. Still sounds a lot cheaper than a new one though.
  • n217970
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    Not to upset you further but your car ain't worth 9k. More like 5-6k on a private sale.
  • k3lvc
    k3lvc Posts: 4,174 Forumite
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    n217970 wrote: »
    Not to upset you further but your car ain't worth 9k. More like 5-6k on a private sale.


    Once fixed - hence my question
  • Austar
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    k3lvc wrote: »
    So in summary you bought a (fairly) high end motor 2+ years ago that's now 9 years old, have done 20k+ miles in it and are starting to rack up some running costs ?

    What's the current bill looking like when compared to the value of the car ?

    I'm not sure if you read my post entirely or misunderstood me, but the problem I have is the part has been "manufacturer recalled" so it was found to be faulty by BMW, and they chose to replace these parts at cost because of defects in production/R&D to every car of my model (which my car had done, but not all 6, only 5, also this was within the first year of the cars life). What i'm concerned with is whether BMW Marshall is trying to pull the wool over my eyes by running me around replacing other parts which are not actually the root cause, charging me for this, and then like now, telling me that I do in fact need to replace the faulty injectors, as the other two previous garages advised, and then charging me at an over priced amount.

    The finance settlement is 7.5k, and value, well, you could argue anywhere between 5k to 9k depending on where you sell, who you sell too etc.
    n217970 wrote: »
    Not to upset you further but your car ain't worth 9k. More like 5-6k on a private sale.

    No harm done, I can appreciate that the cars value is not accurate, but if you compare my exact model to others on autotrader they range from 5k to 9k depending on milage and extras. But the fact that they want to charge me 4.5k to repair it when you say its value is 5-6k makes it even more evident that it would be barmy to fix it...
  • loveduppaul
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    This is actually an underlying problem with these engines. I had a 530i with the same engine and had numerous problems with injectors, high pressure fuel pumps and coil packs. Luckily this was all under warranty at the time. I found it was a common problem and it looks like you are going through the same thing.

    I would escalate the problem with BMW UK, you are going through the ombudsman as well. If the finance is HP type finance (the finance company own the car), raise it with them as well. Its a reasonably well known problem (google N53 injector and HPFP problems). I would highlight they are also responsible for the car, depending on how many payments you have made you can hand it back to them (voluntary termination).
  • Austar
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    Thanks for the advice, it does seem it is quite a well known problem, honestly I hadn't thought to contact the finance company, but my situation is that I found the car via auto trader, contacted the seller, they then forwarded me through to a finance company, the car I believe is on a HP type, so I put a deposit down, and once I'm finished paying my installments the car becomes mine, would it be the finance company or the original sellers I should contact?

    I will also contact BMW UK, since my car has been in I have had 4 different courtesy cars, and as my luck is going at the moment, the last one they gave me had a condensating front headlight, it then developed problems with the rear lights malfunctioning, so I took it in to them, they are now trying to claim I damaged the headlight and that I need to pay the excess! I know why they are doing this as they rushed to get me into one of their top end cars when I arrived it hadn't been cleaned, had only just got back in from a previous customer, so they had obviously not checked it over, handed it to me and are trying to claim ive damaged it.
  • AdrianC
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    Do you have any legal recompense against BMW? No, you didn't buy from them.
    Was the problem present at purchase? No. You've done 20k in two years.
    Are the problems realistic to expect at 93k and 9yrs? Yes.

    You have no legal recompense.
  • arcon5
    arcon5 Posts: 14,099 Forumite
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    What about getting some second hand injectors for Now?
  • System
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    Austar wrote: »
    At this point I'm beyond belief, and am unsure what the best course of action is, I have raised a form with the motor ombudsman service which BMW are apart of, but at this point I wonder what i will gain from any of this. Considering the car is still on finance, and the repair cost is around half the value of the car. Anyone have any advice?

    The car being on finance is irrelevant. Its a 9 year old BMW with 93k on and it is going to have faults. You have no redress with BMW because the car is well past its warranty expiry date and past any protections you'd get through SOGA for it to be treated like a new car. You've also had it 2 years and put 20k on so quite evidently none of the faults were there when you bought it so you've no recourse against the retailer either.

    In short cars break and some are more expensive to fix than others and you happen to be the unfortunate one to have copped for the time in that vehicle's life when the injectors, pump etc can go wrong. Injectors, fuel pumps, coil packs etc do not last forever and unfortunately a fault with one can lead to the premature death of another and once you get to around 75-80k you're living on luck as to how long they'll last.
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