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    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 27th Jun 17, 1:03 PM
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    DFS Sofa - what rights do i have and what are my options?
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    • 27th Jun 17, 1:03 PM
    DFS Sofa - what rights do i have and what are my options? 27th Jun 17 at 1:03 PM
    Hi


    Bought the iconica range sofas for a cost of almost 4K, delivered in Jan. Not withstanding the fact that they failed to tell us about adding on extra costs such as fabric care, leather care kit, and not telling us about the delivery charge which was all added into the monthly cost, the sofas started developing faults within 6 months.


    The cushions have started sinking, and you can feel the frame on some parts when you sit down. DFS sent out a very rude service manager who said you are sitting on it wrong, this is how you meant to sit. He refused to listen to me when I said I did not buy a sofa to sit on in a very specific way. A sofa is for lounging, etc etc, but he refused to listen. He pointed out that on the paperwork is says sofa will soften with use, but I have read this on forums that they write this on every sofa they sell!


    And within 2 mins he decided nothing was wrong with the sofas, and it was because of how we were sitting, that has caused it to soften to that extent. And within another minute he walked out.
    These cost 4k, I have cheaper leather sofas in my kids playroom that has remained firmer, and my kids and their friends have been jumping all around this one for years! It is not like they are sitting on that sofa in a specific way!


    I know people will say why go dfs etc, their sofas are rubbish and such. Please can we not, as this is not why im asking for advice and help. I have bought them and now I have them. The last lot of sofas I bought from DFS, it was almost 9 years before I had to refoam the cushions, so it wasn't an issue, I never had to call them.


    I was just shocked at the rudeness of the service manager, and hence left me at a loss as to what to do. . Hence, would like your advice. Also, whether it would be worth complaining to the Ombudsman as I took in on finance.


    Thanks in advance
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    • RoonilWazlib
    • By RoonilWazlib 27th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 1:09 PM
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    What type of finance?
    What have the finance company said about it?


    When in January did they get delivered?
    When did you raise your complaint?
    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 27th Jun 17, 1:14 PM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 1:14 PM
    Hi


    I have not been in touch with the finance company yet, as I am unsure as how to approach this. The finance was the monthly type of 4 years.


    They were ordered in November and delivery was made in January, 2nd week I think. The complaint was raised at the beginning of June, and service manager arrived today 27.06.17
    • eddddy
    • By eddddy 27th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
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    • 27th Jun 17, 3:24 PM
    The finance company will probably be jointly liable for Breach of Contract under section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.
    • Tell the finance company that the sofa is not of 'satisfactory quality' and/or 'not fit for purpose', so the supplier is in breach of contract.
    • Therefore you are claiming your money back from the finance company, as they are jointly liable for breach of contract.

    The finance company will probably tell you to get a report on the sofa from an independent expert, to confirm your claims. If the expert sides with you, and your claim is accepted, you should get the cost of the report back from the finance company.
    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 27th Jun 17, 3:54 PM
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    Thank you, I will try that
    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 30th Jun 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 10:58 AM
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    • 30th Jun 17, 10:58 AM
    Ok, as an update


    DFS are ignoring me completely. I have written now to the finance company. Will update you as things progress.


    If anyone else has any further advice, that would be much appreciated


    Many thanks
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jul 17, 5:37 AM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 5:37 AM
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    I think experiences differ depending on the store. I was two months over the 2 years guarantee and I had some pealing. The store manager was fine, sent an appraiser and the repair was booked for the next month. Turned up on time and was gone after about an hour. Still looks fine 3 months later.


    They did try the ......it is over the warranty period. I just said I did not pay 3k for this to happen in two years and continued to moan. ;-]




    I had instigated a claim with the finance company. And they were going to get involved. This may have helped, I don't really know. Check your paperwork. get their phone number and start a claim.


    If the above failed. I was going to get an independent appraisal. People on the net were charging about 75 for a report and then I was going to claim in a CC.
    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 5th Jul 17, 9:14 AM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:14 AM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 9:14 AM
    scd3scd4 - Thank you. I have written to the finance company now and awaiting their response.


    I also put a review on Trust Pilot. DFS did respond asking me to contact them and they will try and help put things right. Rang them twice, left 2 messages to ring me back, as apparently they were really busy, and several days later, no call back from DFS


    Not surprising I guess!
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jul 17, 1:47 PM
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    • 5th Jul 17, 1:47 PM
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    scd3scd4 - Thank you. I have written to the finance company now and awaiting their response.


    I also put a review on Trust Pilot. DFS did respond asking me to contact them and they will try and help put things right. Rang them twice, left 2 messages to ring me back, as apparently they were really busy, and several days later, no call back from DFS


    Not surprising I guess!
    Originally posted by abdulr001
    Hi, I rang the finance company and they instigated a claim over the phone. They sent the paperwork to me. Stick with it, their aim is to wear you down so you will give up.

    I think I was told to ring the store I purchased it from...........how about a little trip to harass.......I mean speak to the manager.

    I also looked into these people but to be honest I never needed them....www.thefurnitureombudsman.org/faq-resources/frequently-asked-questions/
    • cono1717
    • By cono1717 5th Jul 17, 2:08 PM
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    There are so many things wrong with this post lets clear them up

    Stick with it, their aim is to wear you down so you will give up.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Not sure who you are talking about here but no it's not - DFS and any other company don't want to wear you down and waste time wearing you they'd rather just get it done with. The finance company has an obligation as they become responsible under section 75.

    I think I was told to ring the store I purchased it from...........how about a little trip to harass.......I mean speak to the manager.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    The finance company has give you the wrong information but telling someone to harass a manager is extremely wrong and will get you nowhere in life. These people are human beings with a job to do and with higher ups, if you are nice they will try and go above and beyond, if you are an idiot, why should they.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jul 17, 4:09 PM
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    There are so many things wrong with this post lets clear them up
    No lets leave it as it is.


    Not sure who you are talking about here but no it's not - DFS and any other company don't want to wear you down and waste time wearing you they'd rather just get it done with. The finance company has an obligation as they become responsible under section 75.
    Not sure what you are talking about but yes they do. DFS and many companies will do just as I said. They tried it with me and the poster. Its a common practice to find on review sites. I was not rang back a number of times, then told it was out of their warrenty then to claim on my insurance.

    The finance company has an obligation as they become responsible under section 75.
    Already told the poster that.


    The finance company has give you the wrong information but telling someone to harass a manager is extremely wrong and will get you nowhere in life. These people are human beings with a job to do and with higher ups, if you are nice they will try and go above and beyond, if you are an idiot, why should they.
    They told me no such thing. I was suggesting that and it was tongue in cheek. Less of the drama. Before the poster needs to do anything with the insurance company. A visit in person to the store may help if phones are not being answered. That is what I did and it worked. Despite being out of their warranty and them saying there was nothing they could do.

    if you are an idiot, why should they.
    Because its the law, because it's their job!


    These people are human beings with a job to do and with higher ups, if you are nice they will try and go above and beyond, if you are an idiot, why should they.
    Are they. What everyone all the time. Always work does it? No need for trading standards and ombudsmen, Watchdog, courts and the law then is there?
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 05-07-2017 at 10:29 PM.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jul 17, 5:14 PM
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    Hi


    Bought the iconica range sofas for a cost of almost 4K, delivered in Jan. Not withstanding the fact that they failed to tell us about adding on extra costs such as fabric care, leather care kit, and not telling us about the delivery charge which was all added into the monthly cost, the sofas started developing faults within 6 months.


    The cushions have started sinking, and you can feel the frame on some parts when you sit down. DFS sent out a very rude service manager who said you are sitting on it wrong, this is how you meant to sit. He refused to listen to me when I said I did not buy a sofa to sit on in a very specific way. A sofa is for lounging, etc etc, but he refused to listen. He pointed out that on the paperwork is says sofa will soften with use, but I have read this on forums that they write this on every sofa they sell!


    And within 2 mins he decided nothing was wrong with the sofas, and it was because of how we were sitting, that has caused it to soften to that extent. And within another minute he walked out.
    These cost 4k, I have cheaper leather sofas in my kids playroom that has remained firmer, and my kids and their friends have been jumping all around this one for years! It is not like they are sitting on that sofa in a specific way!


    I know people will say why go dfs etc, their sofas are rubbish and such. Please can we not, as this is not why im asking for advice and help. I have bought them and now I have them. The last lot of sofas I bought from DFS, it was almost 9 years before I had to refoam the cushions, so it wasn't an issue, I never had to call them.


    I was just shocked at the rudeness of the service manager, and hence left me at a loss as to what to do. . Hence, would like your advice. Also, whether it would be worth complaining to the Ombudsman as I took in on finance.


    Thanks in advance
    Just to say. I had my sofa on 3 years interest free and just phoned the company on the paperwork. Very easy.

    But like I said.............before it all got to that the manager sorted it out after a little pressure and persistence. Stores differ as I explained. You seem to have one of the managers who gives DFS a bad name with all the how you sit rubbish. And unlike how some naive people think. Not everyone is out to help, do their job and look after the customer.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 05-07-2017 at 5:36 PM.
    • cono1717
    • By cono1717 6th Jul 17, 9:16 AM
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    And unlike how some naive people think. Not everyone is out to help, do their job and look after the customer.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    I will concede that not everyone is out to go above and beyond, the point that you seemed to have quite clearly missed, was that if you are generally not a nice person to the staff you have 0 chance of them going above and beyond and every chance of getting the bare minimum service.

    Ombudsman is an alternative dispute resolution service so of course there is a need for them, they are there when you are not happy with what DFS (or anyone) is saying and they won't budge, however their criteria is not "Ask politely, then go harass the manager and if they STILL wont help you come to us". You can get to the same exact point by just talking to someone and not turning up pressure and acting petulant.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Jul 17, 12:57 PM
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    I will concede that not everyone is out to go above and beyond, the point that you seemed to have quite clearly missed, was that if you are generally not a nice person to the staff you have 0 chance of them going above and beyond and every chance of getting the bare minimum service.
    No not necessary. Some people will give bad service regardless, some dont know the law and others just dont want to entertain refunds until you turn up the heat. I already explained the "harassment" bit. Please pay attention. The law is there to insure good service and rights. It is not dependent on how a service provider perceives how you are treating them.


    Ombudsman is an alternative dispute resolution service so of course there is a need for them, they are there when you are not happy with what DFS (or anyone) is saying and they won't budge, however their criteria is not "Ask politely, then go harass the manager and if they STILL wont help you come to us". You can get to the same exact point by just talking to someone and not turning up pressure and acting petulant.
    No, its about doing what is easy first. What takes less time and effort and what gets results the fastest. You try the shop, the manager then head office than your credit company. Turning up the pressure is exactly what you do and it works for me nearly all the time.

    Speaking to a manager in person as oppose to over the phone is always the best policy and sound advice.

    Many other people will read this post. They may have paid cash. The Ombudsman is also here for them. As is the county court.

    Again you really need to listen more than you speak or write. I suggested going into the store and speaking to the manger first. This lady got nowhere, neither did I until I upped the ante. Clearly you misread that our experience was the opposite of what you suggested.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 06-07-2017 at 1:10 PM.
    • cono1717
    • By cono1717 6th Jul 17, 1:03 PM
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    I already explained the "harassment" bit.The law is there to insure good service and rights. It is not dependent on how a service provider perceives how you are treating them.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Well you gave the excuse it was tongue in cheek after the fact, perceptions from text based responses can differ from person to person so whilst you may see no harm and think no one would actually do it you cannot speak for everyone else.

    Secondly the law doesn't ensure good service it only ensure's your rights are upheld. Good service comes from the provider which is 100% dictated by how they perceive you are treating them. If I work in a shop I have to follow the law, but I don't have to do anything more and why should I if you aren't treating me with respect.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Jul 17, 1:22 PM
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    Well you gave the excuse it was tongue in cheek after the fact, perceptions from text based responses can differ from person to person so whilst you may see no harm and think no one would actually do it you cannot speak for everyone else.
    Why would I need an excuse to a stranger on a forum. No you still commented after I explained!!.....I also clarified it with " I MEAN TALK." Right at the start. Please pay more attention.

    Secondly the law doesn't ensure good service it only ensure's your rights are upheld. Good service comes from the provider which is 100% dictated by how they perceive you are treating them. If I work in a shop I have to follow the law, but I don't have to do anything more and why should I if you aren't treating me with respect.
    No, people still get bad service. This lady explained how she was treated hence you point is mute. I explained the same, until I turned up the heat. No one is asking for service from you. She will get results if she follows advise with her CC as I did. We get result regardless of how you feel by means of the law!

    We dont need etiquette lessons we know the obvious.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 06-07-2017 at 1:30 PM.
    • cono1717
    • By cono1717 6th Jul 17, 1:28 PM
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    Why would I need an excuse to a stranger on a forum. No you still commented after I explained!!.....I also clarified it with " I MEAN TALK." Right at the start. Please pay more attention.



    No, people still get bad service. This lady explained how she was treated hence you point is mute. I explained the same. Until I turned up the heat. No one is asking anything from you. She will get results if she follows advise with her CC as I did. We get result regardless of how you feel by means of the law!

    We dont need a etiquette lessons we know the obvious.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Well OK we'll agree to disagree then, since clearly you think my points are mute moot there is no point trying to teach a chicken to play chess
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 6th Jul 17, 1:40 PM
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    Well OK we'll agree to disagree then, since clearly you think my points are mute moot there is no point trying to teach a chicken to play chess
    You are right. I dont need you to tell me how to get results with DFS. When I have already received them after my warranty had expired.

    trying to teach a chicken to play chess
    Maybe you could try learning to play checkers instead.
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    • abdulr001
    • By abdulr001 7th Nov 17, 12:42 PM
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    Ok, just to update

    The finance company started an investigation, and the store manager ended up coming over to have a look. He said, he normally doesn't get involved, but given that it was one of the premium ranges, then he decided to have a look. I am not sure if this is true, and whether it was because the finance company asked him to!

    The agreed to do a repair to the faulty cushion, which was carried out by the same idiotic service manager who told me i was sitting wrong! The repair was horrendous, it was of a completely different height to the cushions around it, flat and lifeless. The sofa looked worse than the one in my kid's playroom that they have been bouncing on for a number of years!

    Again back to finance company, with pictures. Once again the incompetent service manager came round. This time, he didn't try to be smart, took one look at the sofa and said, i can see it. I said i dont want a repair, you have butchered the whole thing now. It will never be right!

    End result? I met the store manager in the store. I sat down on the one in the store, which was firm, plumb and very comfortable. I said my sofa is nothing like this, and this one has hundreds of people sitting on it daily! DFS have now agreed to replace the whole sofa, and store manager has assured me that he will be checking this one himself!

    Thank you for all your advice! Persistence paid off!
    • Chorlton1974
    • By Chorlton1974 10th Apr 18, 1:38 PM
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    wonder if anybody can help with this? i ordered 2 sofas on the 14th January, taken it on finance. the guy that completed the sale said if we paid a deposit then things could be done quicker. put down a 300 deposit. took care out on it, they chucked in a couple of care kits gratis. my sales contract states that delivery will take place approximately by 9 weeks and two days, which was 20th March, when i raised this, a voice mail was left saying that it was being shipped from overseas and would be here by the beginning of April. didn't hear a thing. checked their on line tracker and that now states it wont be here til april 25th. i emailed again in respect of this and this is all i got back, which i find to be a bit turd.

    " Hello and thank you for your email

    We are sorry that you have had to contact us regarding your order and for the delay that has occurred. We are currently expecting your suite to arrive late April and we apologise for the delay. This is a delay with our supplier and is outside of our control.

    Please be assured that as soon as we have more information we will update you and as soon as this arrives with DFS we will arrange delivery.

    Kind regards

    Customer Service Department
    DFS Head Office"

    Have i any grounds to take this further??????

    Cheers
    Last edited by Chorlton1974; 10-04-2018 at 1:52 PM. Reason: my bad spelling!
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