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Civil Enforcement LTD Hospital Fine

danmc1309
danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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edited 25 February 2017 at 12:35AM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
Hello all,

First post here after receiving a letter from Civil Enforcement LTD. I apologise if I've placed this in the wrong section or missed some crucial reading but after spending an hour or so reading the forums I'm feeling a little lost and wondered if my situation warranted an appeal.

I received a letter this week which states date issued 6th Feb 2017, however the PCN issue date is 26/10/16 and I've received no correspondence until this point.

Thanks in advance


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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 159,730 Forumite
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    CEL will not accept an offer and nor should you be making one to that bunch.

    You need to simply make a complaint to PALS (Google it) and do that quickly because CEL sue people. We are not saying to panic & pay. Complain to PALS and make it clear this was an emergency.
    edit - I'm struggling to upload the photos. I hosted at photobucket, anybody know how i can get these on here without infringing on new poster link rules?
    Do what all other newbies here do - change http to hxxp to break the links.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Fruitcake
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    edited 18 February 2017 at 10:03AM
    You should immediately delete the first two pics! They have nothing to do with parking and are of a personal nature.

    You also need to immediately remove the fourth image as you have left the VRN visible.

    The third pic is OK, and it's a forbidding sign.

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  • danmc1309
    danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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    Ok removed as advised, forbidding sign meaning that's all is valid? I see the sign states charges of 35/70 depending on period of payment, yet a letter turns up stating I owe them 170. Is this fair for the loss of one parking spot for an hour or two?
  • danmc1309
    danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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    I will look into the complaint today thanks
  • Redx
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    edited 18 February 2017 at 12:28PM
    danmc1309 wrote: »
    Ok removed as advised, forbidding sign meaning that's all is valid? I see the sign states charges of 35/70 depending on period of payment, yet a letter turns up stating I owe them 170. Is this fair for the loss of one parking spot for an hour or two?

    what is "fair" regarding loss is no longer an issue since the BARRY BEAVIS case in the SUPREME COURT 15 months ago (which was actually the 3rd of 3 losses in 3 courts)

    its about them proving beyond 50% that they have a valid case, and about you proving beyond 50% that they do not have a valid legal case , based on legal arguments

    "fairness" does not come into legal matters like this , not unless you get a judge that will rule on "mitigation" in your favour , OR if you can prove it is a "penalty" instead
  • danmc1309
    danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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    edited 18 February 2017 at 3:28PM
    So I should be appealing to PAL and then waiting to hear but if no luck with that I'm going to have to pay do we think?
  • Fruitcake
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    edited 19 February 2017 at 9:57AM
    Nobody here will suggest you pay. You will just be funding the scammers to scam even more vulnerable people.

    Complain to PALs and appeal to the scammers using the BPA template in blue you will find there. Copy and paste and send. No editing. Don't reveal who was driving. Further reading of the NEWBIES will explain the next steps (PoPLA appeal) you need to follow if PALS aren't interested.

    Seeing the letter you posted earlier will help the regulars, but make sure you redact ALL personal information, and try to get it the right way up this time please.

    Forbidding means the scammers are not offering anything to park. It will be one of several appeal points you will use at PoPLA, but don't miss the deadline for the initial appeal.
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  • danmc1309
    danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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    Ok thanks for your time, fingers crossed.
  • Coupon-mad
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    danmc1309 wrote: »
    So I should be appealing to PAL and then waiting to hear but if no luck with that I'm going to have to pay do we think?

    No and no.

    You are not 'appealing' to PALS and this is not about luck. You are complaining to PALS and (either way) you will not be paying.
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  • danmc1309
    danmc1309 Posts: 32 Forumite
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    Appeal template letter sent to CEL and debt collector email contact on letter. Complaint sent to PALS and direct to North Manchester General Hospital.

    Updated covered letter uploaded below

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