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danmc1309

Its all rather quiet here at the moment! I haven't heard from the debt collectors or CEL since they replied to our original appeal (didn't reply to them just went to BPA instead) and nothing yet as a reply from the email below sent to the suggested parties. Hoping I've written this correctly! This message was added to the whole thread conversation thus far being forwarded underneath.

"From: xxx
Sent: 07 April 2017 11:04
To: marcus.jones.mp@parliament.uk; graham.stringer.mp@parliament.uk; andrew.jones.mp@parliament.uk
Subject:xxx

Hello all,

Please see below (I apologise for the length!) an extended email communication from myself which has arisen as a result of receiving a parking charge. I believe that contrary to replies from the BPA that the PCN in question fails to comply with the POFA (schedule 4). Furthermore, this ex-clamper firm has sent an image of a blue bonnet but no VRN/registration so initially hasn't even met a reasonable bar of showing that the vehicle was at the location in question, in addition to apparently sending correspondence to me as the keeper which I didn't receive. It is further stated by the BPA that the firm doesn't need to state proof of sending (which they could if they have they actually sent) whereas I can't provide proof of something that I'm stating hasn't been received. I feel as though I'm being fobbed off by both firms in question and I don't trust either firm considering the embarrassing situations of until recently BPA top man Patrick Troy "https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3133778/british-parking-association-quits-film-up-skirts-patrick-troy/" and CEL issuing revenge claims after having their contract cancelled by the Co-op after realising the extent of their inability to correctly follow the law. I'm hoping for a further opinion on the subject.

Kind regards,"

DoaM

I hope you broke that up before sending it. At the moment it's a wall of text which will probably be directed to the circular file (bin).

danmc1309

Today after a long wait I received this as a result of sending the above email to MPs as directed. I haven't received any correspondence from CEL/ZZPS for over 2 months now.

"Dear Xxxt,

Thank you for your email of the 07 April to Marcus Jones, Parliamentary-under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government. I am an official working in the team that covers the subject of off-street car parking and have been asked to reply.

The regulation of private parking companies is the responsibility of the trade association to which they belong, either the British Parking Association or the International Parking Community. The Government promotes a system of industry self-regulation by the parking industry. As such, we cannot comment on, or intervene in, individual disputes with parking companies, the trade associations, or their appeals services.

Private car parking companies engaged in enforcement activities should act in a proportionate manner. As a result of these concerns we launched a discussion paper entitled ‘Parking reform: tackling unfair practices’, which sought thoughts and comments on the private parking sector. A summary of the responses to the discussion paper was made available on 11 May 2016, which I enclose.

Yours Sincerely

.(Removed by Forum Team)
Department for Communities and Local Government"

Coupon-mad

danmc1309 wrote: »

Today after a long wait I received this as a result of sending the above email to MPs as directed. I haven't received any correspondence from CEL/ZZPS for over 2 months now.

"Dear Xxxt,

Thank you for your email of the 07 April to Marcus Jones, Parliamentary-under-Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government. I am an official working in the team that covers the subject of off-street car parking and have been asked to reply.

The regulation of private parking companies is the responsibility of the trade association to which they belong, either the British Parking Association or the International Parking Community. The Government promotes a system of industry self-regulation by the parking industry. As such, we cannot comment on, or intervene in, individual disputes with parking companies, the trade associations, or their appeals services.

Private car parking companies engaged in enforcement activities should act in a proportionate manner. As a result of these concerns we launched a discussion paper entitled ‘Parking reform: tackling unfair practices’, which sought thoughts and comments on the private parking sector. A summary of the responses to the discussion paper was made available on 11 May 2016, which I enclose.

Yours Sincerely

(Removed by Forum Team)
Department for Communities and Local Government"

I would forward that to Jacob Rees-Mogg, MP, and your own MP, and ask whether they think it is right that genuine complaints to the DCLG about an utter scam, credit clamping (worse extortion with far worse long-term effects on finances than car-clamping ever was) are being met with such a woeful, fob-off reply. Do the DCLG - in particular does (Removed by Forum Team) - not know or remember that the DCLG had promised to act in November 2015 after the Beavis case, to protect consumers from this greedy cowboy industry?

Here we are, two years later in the midst of a feeding frenzy by ex-clamper thugs making more money than they ever did, supported not only by the Supreme Court's awful decision but with the tacit support of the DCLG. And according to this terrible letter, the DCLG have now decided that this bunch of muppets can 'self-regulate' after all, despite it being proved every day that they cannot and will not rein in the worst rogue practices unless the Government forces them to do so.

Umkomaas

The regulation of private parking companies is the responsibility of the trade association to which they belong, either the British Parking Association or the International Parking Community. The Government promotes a system of industry self-regulation by the parking industry.

Then how is it that the BPA always says this:

Thank you for your email in connection to xxxxx who are members of the BPA’s Approved Operator Scheme.

All appeals are a matter for the landowner or operator’s procedure with the option of taking it to POPLA (where applicable) and or the courts, and as a membership association, and not a regulatory body, the BPA is unable to intervene in this situation.

So the BPA themselves freely admit that they are not a 'regulatory body', yet the Government are stating categorically (as only a Government can):

The regulation of private parking companies is the responsibility of the trade association to which they belong, either the British Parking Association or the International Parking Community. The Government promotes a system of industry self-regulation by the parking industry. As such, we cannot comment on, or intervene in, individual disputes with parking companies, the trade associations, or their appeals services.

Just !!!!!! is going on? Write back to (Removed by Forum Team) and ask the burning question. The British public is totally confused by the nonsense put forward by a Government Department, yet which is totally refuted by the organisation they appear to be speaking on behalf of.

Personally, I'm sick of this distortion of the facts from Civil Servants we are paying to act in our best interests. They hide behind any platitude, then hope the problem goes away!