Santander 123 rate to be cut to 1.5%

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  • Ballard
    Ballard Posts: 2,850 Forumite
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    1kevfp wrote: »
    The big banks have gone the same way as the big supermarkets, leaving the doors widly open for Aldi, Lidl, Home Bargains and B&M stores ( chairman Sir Terry Leahy!) So the likes of Atom etc will reap the benefits.I think the big banks forget there are some savvy customers out there

    If a challenger bank can afford to lose hundreds of pounds a year per customer then you have a good point.
    I hate verisimilitude.
  • Ballard
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    adindas wrote: »
    I hope Santander will be doing enough research and risk assessment as they will definitely suffer the cash flow problem if many people move their money at relatively the same time span.

    Santander will be expecting to see the loss of a large number of accounts and I have no doubt that they will have plenty of liquidity to enable the exodus. The bigger issue is whether they have sufficient numbers in their team(s) to process the inevitable switching.

    If I were moving from Santander I would do so mid-October just to be on the safe side.
    I hate verisimilitude.
  • brewerdave
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    Ballard wrote: »
    Santander will be expecting to see the loss of a large number of accounts and I have no doubt that they will have plenty of liquidity to enable the exodus. The bigger issue is whether they have sufficient numbers in their team(s) to process the inevitable switching.

    If I were moving from Santander I would do so mid-October just to be on the safe side.
    ... good point - 7 day switching may come under a lot of stress:eek:
  • joe134
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    brewerdave wrote: »
    ... good point - 7 day switching may come under a lot of stress:eek:
    where to switch is the problem.Done most of them.Only Coop left for me, that's worthwhile.
  • Nick_C
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    adindas wrote: »
    I hope Santander will be doing enough research and risk assessment as they will definitely suffer the cash flow problem if many people move their money at relatively the same time span.

    I think Santander know exactly what they are doing.

    A lot of people will be closing their 123 accounts, but many customers will see that this remains a very good current account. Even with no interest, the cashback on DDs more than compensates for the fee for many.

    They will end up with more customers than they had before they launched their loss leader 123 account.

    And they can borrow money on the markets much cheaper than 1.5%.
  • adindas
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    edited 20 August 2016 at 12:23PM
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    Nick_C wrote: »
    I think Santander know exactly what they are doing.

    No doubt about it. It was utter incompetence if they did not ...
    Nick_C wrote: »
    A lot of people will be closing their 123 accounts
    Totally agree. Also keep in mind some people have 4 combine A/C which might be up to £75,000 in total to be withdrawn.
    Nick_C wrote: »
    But many customers will see that this remains a very good current account. Even with no interest, the cashback on DDs more than compensates for the fee for many.
    Yes for the customers who do not do enough research. But I doubt if many MSEr with good knowledge will be falling into this category.
    http://personal.natwest.com/personal/current-accounts/compare-current-accounts/reward-account.html

    "Earn 3% in Rewards on seven types of household bills paid by Direct Debit, including Council Tax Only £3 a month"
    So 3% in Rewards across the board not only on particular bill with only £3 fee. I will leave it to MSEr with good knowledge to see which one is better.
    Nick_C wrote: »
    They will end up with more customers than they had before they launched their loss leader 123 account.
    Mind to elaborate this given the fact as above ...
    Nick_C wrote: »
    And they can borrow money on the markets much cheaper than 1.5%
    Mind to elaborate this ??
    If it is still subject to credit worthiness, then it is irrelevant, because enough people here like me have been borrowing about £25,000 or even more with 0% interest ...
  • YorkshireBoy
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    adindas wrote: »
    Mind to elaborate this given the fact as above ...
    Isn't it obvious? Not all those who joined will leave.
    Mind to elaborate this ??
    Again it's obvious, if you read beyond the 0.25% cut announced and look at other things such as QE measures.

    Indeed, for many years now Santander have been able to borrow money at much, much, less than the 3% they've been paying us.
  • Nick_C
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    Nick_C wrote: »
    … but many customers will see that this remains a very good current account. Even with no interest, the cashback on DDs more than compensates for the fee for many.
    adindas wrote: »
    Yes for the customers who do not do enough research. But I doubt if many MSEr with good knowledge will be falling into this category.

    You are speaking from a position of ignorance and false assumptions. I do more than enough research and have a good knowledge of the products available. I am aware of the NatWest account you reference, and have already investigated it.

    My DD cashback with Santander is currently £159 pa. Take off the full fee of £60 and I’m getting £99 plus interest at 1.5%

    If I switched to NatWest, I would get £142 pa, less a fee of £36, giving me £106 pa and no interest.

    But to compare like with like, I could downgrade to 123 Lite, net £147, and get no interest.

    Enough research, proving that for me 123 remains a very good account.
    Nick_C wrote: »
    They will end up with more customers than they had before they launched their loss leader 123 account.
    adindas wrote: »
    Mind to elaborate this given the fact as above ...

    See above. Customers like me (and I was drawn in by this loss leading account) will be staying.
    Nick_C wrote: »
    And they can borrow money on the markets much cheaper than 1.5%.
    adindas wrote: »
    Mind to elaborate this ??
    For someone who does research and has a good knowledge, I’m surprised I need to educate you on this, but banks are currently lending to each other at 0.5% for overnight and 0.73% for 12 months.
  • Nick_C
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    adindas wrote: »
    ... But if Santander slash the interest to 2% I will move my money around 20k to the Atom Bank or any other one year saving earning fixed interest of 2%+
    https://www.atombank.co.uk/fixed-saver

    I think you may not have done enough research here.

    Look carefully at the page you have linked to.
    save up to £10,000 across all savings products
  • YorkshireBoy
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    adindas wrote: »
    But if Santander slash the interest to 2%
    I, and others, will be very happy if they do that (instead). ;)
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