Which wood paint stays white the longest?

jap200 · 22 January 2007 at 5:02PM

I am about to embark on a massive painting job in the hallway - 11 doors + frames, skirting boards, radiators and banisters.

We painted a couple of doors about 3 years ago and they already look quite yellow. I can't remember what paint we used though.

Does anyone know whether traditional gloss/satinwood stays white longer than the new water-based ones. I would prefer to use the water-based ones for environmental reasons - and because it is so much easier to wash the brushes - but don't want to do this if the result won't last.

Also - I have found 'own-brand' gloss/satinwood paints to be rather runny in the past and have stuck to Dulux and Crown. As we are going to need quite a lot though, I would appreciate it if anyone could recommend good quality 'own brand' paints for wood.

ScoobieGirl · 22 January 2007 at 5:39PM

Sorry I can't recommend anything, but I can offerer some steer clear advice! I tried B&Q own brand gloss paint, they had changed the contents to be Low VOC and it was rubbish - switched straight back to Dulux. Having said that I painted the doors 2 years ago now and they are a little yellow, which I probably wouldn't have noticed except the walls are brilliant white and the contrast shows a little.

jap200 · 22 January 2007 at 6:12PM

I think I can kind of answer my own question on the first point at least. I emailed the question regarding yellowing to the customer services departments of Crown and Dulux.

The response from Crown (within hours) is as follows:

"The best products to prevent yellowing are the water based paints, all oil based paints will yellow when they are deprived of natural daylight.

I hope this clarifies the situation for you and should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me."

Now this explains why the woodwork in the hallway (very little natural light) has gone yellow, whereas other areas are still quite white.

It will be interesting to see if Dulux come back with the same information.

ScoobieGirl · 22 January 2007 at 6:49PM

That's interesting. I would have guessed it'd be the other way around, that daylight would have had a negative effect. I learn something worthwhile everytime I visit this board.

misgrace · 22 January 2007 at 7:30PM

jap200 wrote:

I think I can kind of answer my own question on the first point at least. I emailed the question regarding yellowing to the customer services departments of Crown and Dulux.

The response from Crown (within hours) is as follows:

"The best products to prevent yellowing are the water based paints, all oil based paints will yellow when they are deprived of natural daylight.

I hope this clarifies the situation for you and should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact me."

Now this explains why the woodwork in the hallway (very little natural light) has gone yellow, whereas other areas are still quite white.

It will be interesting to see if Dulux come back with the same information.

Your correct, oil base is great when its first put on, and its better for new wood and radiators, but it does yellow, all oilbased paint does.
In a couple of years we are going to have to go with the quick drying /waterbase paint, as they are phasing the oilbase out.

Scoobiegirl,here is two names for you, they are both waterbase, and that means they wont yellow like the oilbase.
One is 'Crown Solo',( waterbased) but the best one out, and its relativly new is'crown pure brilliant white nondrip satin breatheasy', you dont need to stir or shake the tin, its a dream to apply.

Mikeyorks · 22 January 2007 at 8:26PM

jap200 wrote:

I would appreciate it if anyone could recommend good quality 'own brand' paints for wood.

Not normally a fan of theirs .. but have found the 1829 range from B&Q to be good.

Just gone through the entire house using it on doors / skirtings / casings / radiators .. and it's fine. Easy to apply / quick drying (but you need to be quick - to avoid brush marks) / odourless / easy wash from brushes etc. But if you're putting it on new wood .. needs several coats of primer .. to give it a bit of depth.

Got round the yellowing problem - by steering well clear of white / brilliant white .. 'cos it's far too harsh! (Personal choice .. not attempting to influence anyone elses;) ) . But if it is your choice - there's a couple of subtle off white / creams that sit well with beiges / browns / golds - and darker wood furniture.

Peartree · 22 January 2007 at 8:56PM

I recommend that you avoid the DIY retailers and go to a decorating trade centre. I always use Johnstones paints - they have a trade centre in most towns if you look in your local phone book. They do all sorts of specialist products for the trade and will also give you advice. I'm sure they could recommend a product less likely to yellow.

Also, if you are doing large areas it works out much cheaper than the Crowns, Duluxes, etc, and I've always found them better quality.

Like Mikeyorks, I never use white and always go for a particular off white shade I've used for years. It's less harsh and any yellowing isn't as noticeable. I also never use a gloss finish. I find an eggshell finish is more subtle and doesn't show up wear and tear as much as gloss.

misgrace · 22 January 2007 at 9:33PM

Gliddens is an excellent brand in either emulsion, quick drying or oilbased.
Its part of ICI, and thier white emulsion is a dream for covering, its very thick, same as thier undercoat.
You can buy Gliddens at any dulux decorators shop, and they have offers on at the moment, it is very reasonable in price, and very good quality.

nickj_2 · 22 January 2007 at 11:14PM

try using bedec multi surface paint , it's easy to use , water based , doesn't require u/coat and comes in a soft white finish , available in matt , satin and gloss ,

Dilly · 23 January 2007 at 12:35AM

I wouldn't recommend any quick drying gloss paint. ( the 8 hour jobs) Trouble is it drys too quick. Not much good on a large exspanse of door

uncle_buck_3 · 23 January 2007 at 12:37AM

The last time I tried water based gloss paint (a few years ago ) it was rubbish...you couldn’t get rid of the brush marks…tried loads of different brushes but all to no avail.
I thought it would look better when it had dried but it didn't....still full of brush marks!

With oil based paint the brush marks level out as you are applying it.

Are water based paints still the same?

Which wood paint stays white the longest?

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