MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Should Karl let the neighbours use his garden?

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  • wildthing01
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    this is a tough one. my first inclination would be to say no, it's my private space (i don't like my privacy invaded!), but on the other hand, it doesn't do to potentially upset your neighbours - who knows what they might do to make karl's life difficult in the future?

    i'm wondering if there's some sort of legal action Karl can take against the previous owner, as they have clearly not declared facts that might have affected his decision to buy the flat in the first place? i thought you had to declare any such issues with neighbours when selling a property?
  • Hezzawithkids
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    No. Bottom line is they are trespassing on his private property. Presumably he bought the flat because of the garden so shouldn't have to share it with someone else.

    In true MSE style though he could rent it to them on days when he knows he doesn't need it :D
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  • Surfer
    Surfer Posts: 361 Forumite
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    No as every one enjoys their privacy especially if they have paid for it.
  • JayD
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    bigmuffins wrote: »
    In my view, he should say sorry but no, at the beginning. This is because, although it may not bother him initially, it probably will later on - he will find that they are using the garden/hanging out washing when he wants to use it and will feel awkward in his own garden. Once he has said yes, he won't be able to say no!
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    I totally agree with bigmuffins.

    Karl was delighted to get a garden and, even if he is generous natured enough to want to agree to the continued sharing of it initially, it could quickly become a very difficult situation.

    He bought and he paid for the flat with a garden. They didn't. They have been extremely lucky to have had the use of it for so long. But, unlike the previous owner, Karl is not their close friend and he does not have the same level of familiarity and relaxation with them that was enjoyed by the previous owner.

    So I say "Say NO Karl and enjoy your garden in peace".
  • jackrussells62
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    I would say no, if they sliped on the path or hurt themselves in any way, karl might be liable.
  • pineapple
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    This has happened to me and to people I know. The answer should be 'no' for any use at all, sorry. It may be OK at the start, but further down the line it could lead to awkwardness.
    Reminds me of a very attractive neighbour who asked if she could sunbathe in our garden as it got the light. My (ex) husband was extremely keen to agree. Guess what my response was! :D
  • pompeii
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    Big Hell NO.
    This can create huge problems. If it was a rented flat maybe but this is owned by Karl. This should have been sorted out by the previous owner.

    I know of someone with a similar problem and because the previous owner allowed neighbours to use the garden and outbuildings as their own, when my friend bought the house and let the neighbours know that he wanted the space for his children and outbuildings for storage they became hostile.

    My friend had to get copies of the deeds to prove his right of ownership he gave all his near neighbours a copy of this with a polite letter explaining that this was never common land . However they do have a right to access the back of their homes through this garden.

    Because some of the other houses are rented each time they change tenant they have to go through the whole process again as the landlord insist on telling the tenant it's common land.

    They still let their dogs use it as a toilet even though a veg plot has been planted and allow their very young children to play out unsupervised.
  • DKLS
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    No way, purely for the fact that they hang their washing there, which I cannot abide.
  • slig
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    I definitely wouldn't let them use it for socialising, as it would make me scared of using my own garden! If I'd bought my own flat with a garden, I would not want to have to check if there was someone in MY garden before I went out to water my plants in my PJs.

    However, I know it can be annoying to live in a flat and not have anywhere to dry your washing. I like the idea muffcat has suggested about giving them one morning/day a week in which thay can use the garden to dry their washing. If over the years we grew to be friends perhaps I might relax the rules, eg let them have the garden one or two prearranged evenings a year if they wanted to have a party or barbeque.

    If I was going to share I'd want it to be on my terms and not theirs.
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  • jennie65
    jennie65 Posts: 113 Forumite
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    I would say no to begin with. Karl does not know these people or how much of a liberty thay will take with the usage. It is not their right to use it and if they cant for a while then if it does subsequently get offered they will appreciate it more. Karl has paid for private use of a garden and if neighbours feel thay can just swan in whenever it is not private use.
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