Leaving car engine running

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  • Stageshoot
    Stageshoot Posts: 592 Forumite
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    One of the advantages of driving an Electric Car.

    Preheats in the morning silently before you leave, get in to toasty warm interior,seats and steering wheel, no ice on the outside.. Just unplug it and go while all the other drivers are doing the scraper dance.
    Over 100k miles of Electric Motoring and rising,
  • peter12345678910
    peter12345678910 Posts: 476 Forumite
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    Hot coffee and e smoking does not help with the condensation, I always run for 3 minutes, and the car seems to run better especially for a 4.5 mile trip.
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  • Richard53
    Richard53 Posts: 3,173 Forumite
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    Stageshoot wrote: »
    One of the advantages of driving an Electric Car.

    Preheats in the morning silently before you leave, get in to toasty warm interior,seats and steering wheel, no ice on the outside.. Just unplug it and go while all the other drivers are doing the scraper dance.
    Apparently, I have an electric Land Rover. It's similar to what you describe, but the fan heater has to go back in the shed when I am ready to go.
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  • Bigphil1474
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    OP, maybe your best bet is to get up early one morning, find out who is doing it, have a polite word with them explaining why it is annoying you, and maybe they'll consider not doing it. Chances are they don't know it's annoying you, and it's unlikely they'll be doing it to annoy.
    In terms of the law, it would appear that it is a matter enforced by councils. I had a quick look on the council website for where I live, and it does say that defrosting a windscreen is an exclusion (amongst others) so if that's why they are doing it, then there's probably no offence.
  • George_Michael
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    Warwick_Hunt wrote: »
    Yes, £50 for a fixed penalty.

    So why does the legislation that covers this offence clearly state that the fixed penalty is £20?
    Issue of fixed penalty notice: stationary idling offence

    13. An authorised person who considers that a stationary idling offence has been committed may, in accordance with Part 7, issue a fixed penalty notice to the driver of the vehicle.

    Fixed penalty offences
    7. Emission offences and stationary idling offences under section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988(1) are hereby prescribed as fixed penalty offences for the purposes of these Regulations.

    Amount of penalty

    8. Subject to regulation 17, a person may discharge any liability to conviction!!!8212;

    (a) for an emissions offence, subject to regulation 19, on payment of £60;

    (b) for a stationary idling offence, on payment of £20.
    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/contents/made
  • Car_54
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    George_Michael wrote: »
    It's actually £20 for this offence.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/regulation/7/made

    Isn't it much more likely that the charge would be under section 98 of the C & U Regs (Stopping of engine when stationary)?

    3 points and a £100 FP or an income-related fine.
  • Johno100
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    Isn't it much more likely that the charge would be under section 98 of the C & U Regs (Stopping of engine when stationary)?

    3 points and a £100 FP or an income-related fine.
    Stopping of engine when stationary

    98.!!!8212;(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), the driver of a vehicle shall, when the vehicle is stationary, stop the action of any machinery attached to or forming part of the vehicle so far as may be necessary for the prevention of noise.

    (2) The provisions of paragraph (1) do not apply!!!8212;

    (a)when the vehicle is stationary owing to the necessities of traffic;

    (b)so as to prevent the examination or working of the machinery where the examination is necessitated by any failure or derangement of the machinery or where the machinery is required to be worked for a purpose other than driving the vehicle; or

    (c)in respect of a vehicle propelled by gas produced in plant carried on the vehicle, to such plant.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/98/made

    Perhaps if the car in question had a mobile cement mixer attached to it and powered up.:rotfl:
  • George_Michael
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    Isn't it much more likely that the charge would be under section 98 of the C & U Regs (Stopping of engine when stationary)?

    If that applies to the actual engine of the car then there is an exemption to section 98 that allows you to avoid prosecution if the car is being run for "a purpose other than driving the vehicle".
    It might well be argued that if you are running it in order to defrost or demist the windows to make it safe before setting off, this would fit the exemption.
  • wongataa
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    Richard53 wrote: »
    That's what aircon is for, not just for hot summer days.
    But if the temperature is below 4-5°C then the aircon will not turn on in cars even if the light turns on when you press the button. So if it is cold the aircon status is irrelevant as it won't help.
  • Car_54
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    George_Michael wrote: »
    If that applies to the actual engine of the car then there is an exemption to section 98 that allows you to avoid prosecution if the car is being run for "a purpose other than driving the vehicle".
    It might well be argued that if you are running it in order to defrost or demist the windows to make it safe before setting off, this would fit the exemption.
    Good point.
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