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    • dada44
    • By dada44 22nd May 14, 2:00 PM
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    dada44
    driving slow : your views ?
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    • 22nd May 14, 2:00 PM
    driving slow : your views ? 22nd May 14 at 2:00 PM
    hi.

    i like to drive slow. in that, if its a 30 road zone, i prefer 25. if its a roundabout, i prefer 15 or 20 mph. if it's a motorway of 70, i prefer 60, maybe even 55.

    i have noticed that this sometimes makes drivers behind me impatient, as if i am the one driving wrong. however, when i drive i feel calm, and much safer, than if i was driving a little faster.

    just wondering, is there a legal view on how slow to drive in roads ? would i be considered to be doing the right thing, legally ?
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    • jase1
    • By jase1 9th Jul 14, 4:44 PM
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    Even when it's a perfectly clear road, in the early morning, in good dry weather? And for 40mph? That's only 3mph over the 'real' limit. "For example, our LA has the cameras set at speed limit + 10% + 4mph, so in a 30 zome the camera's, fixed and mobile, are set at 30 + 3 + 4 = 37mph." Bit harsh for the extra 3 mph from the 37."
    Originally posted by nobbysn*ts
    40 in a 30 is 33% over the legal limit. That is utterly unacceptable.

    It really grinds my gears when I hear people who do 40 in a 30, complain about speeders on motorways, when what they are doing is far worse.

    You shouldn't be looking at speeding in terms of number of mph over the posted limit -- it's percentages that matter.
  • Quiet Spark
    And they could well be doing 30mph. As I said, most speedos are digital, a weepy capacitor would have little effect on a digital, rather than analogue system.
    Originally posted by nobbysn*ts
    May I suggest we continue this conversation when your knowledge of electronics (or even basic electronic principles) has improved somewhat?
    Understeer is when you hit a wall with the front of your car
    Oversteer is when you hit a wall with the back of your car
    Horsepower is how fast your car hits the wall
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    • nobbysn*ts
    • By nobbysn*ts 9th Jul 14, 9:13 PM
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    May I suggest we continue this conversation when your knowledge of electronics (or even basic electronic principles) has improved somewhat?
    Originally posted by Quiet Spark
    I don't think you'll ever get a grasp of the principle of digital control, as opposed to analogue, so I doubt it'll go anywhere with you apart from over your head, so no, let the conversation drop. And it's leaky, not weepy.
    • brat
    • By brat 9th Jul 14, 9:48 PM
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    brat
    40 in a 30 is 33% over the legal limit. That is utterly unacceptable.

    It really grinds my gears when I hear people who do 40 in a 30, complain about speeders on motorways, when what they are doing is far worse.

    You shouldn't be looking at speeding in terms of number of mph over the posted limit -- it's percentages that matter.
    Originally posted by jase1
    It's really not so prescriptive. There are certain times where 40mph in a 30 would be entirely acceptable were it not illegal. At other times even 30mph in the same location would be utter madness.

    The best drivers drive to the appropriate speed for the circumstance, while respecting rather than fearing the speed limit.
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
  • sh0597
    I guess if you drive at 30 in a 20 zone that has clear visibility you are as bad as someone doing 105 on a motorway.
    • brat
    • By brat 10th Jul 14, 7:45 AM
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    I guess if you drive at 30 in a 20 zone that has clear visibility you are as bad as someone doing 105 on a motorway.
    Originally posted by sh0597
    This fixation with numbers entirely misses the point. And the point is that your speed should reflect your best perception of the hazard definition of the road, obviously with a respectful weather eye on the applicable speed limit.

    Doing 30 in a 20 could be much less 'bad' than doing 20 in a 30 depending on circumstances.

    The problem that has arisen as a consequence of the burgeoning speed cam industry is that people now see the controlling of speed by marginal enforcement of speed limits as the best way to improve road safety. By doing so, they are completely taking their eye off the ball.

    It's like using a hammer to try to mend a watch.
    Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
    • nobbysn*ts
    • By nobbysn*ts 10th Jul 14, 8:01 AM
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    This fixation with numbers entirely misses the point. And the point is that your speed should reflect your best perception of the hazard definition of the road, obviously with a respectful weather eye on the applicable speed limit.

    Doing 30 in a 20 could be much less 'bad' than doing 20 in a 30 depending on circumstances.

    The problem that has arisen as a consequence of the burgeoning speed cam industry is that people now see the controlling of speed by marginal enforcement of speed limits as the best way to improve road safety. By doing so, they are completely taking their eye off the ball.

    It's like using a hammer to try to mend a watch.
    Originally posted by brat
    Maybe, but if you see someone 'mending' other peoples' watches with a hammer, you're that little bit more careful your own watch doesn't need mending.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 10th Jul 14, 12:34 PM
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    In reality motorways may be safer to the mind of the speeder, until one person messes up at 80mph
    In reality, like, actual reality, motorways are the safest place to drive. They're also the safest places to crash. No roundabouts, lights, pedestrians, cyclists etc. just you, other motor vehicles, crash barriers and a relatively flat, straight road. Motorways are the fastest roads. Motorways are the safest roads. Therefore faster is safer! Yay!
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 10th Jul 14, 2:06 PM
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    Cornucopia
    This fixation with numbers entirely misses the point. And the point is that your speed should reflect your best perception of the hazard definition of the road, obviously with a respectful weather eye on the applicable speed limit.
    Originally posted by brat
    Indeed. Speed cams are a prime example of basing policy on what is measurable, not what is important.

    In my ideal driving world, I would have points awarded for being involved in accidents, and more points for blame in an accident and/or loss or injury.

    It seems crazy to me that you can be banned for speeding where there were no consequences, but suffer no licence penalty if you write-off your car.
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