DWP and fitness

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  • [Deleted User]
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    Kentish_Dave wrote: »
    I’ve just noticed you were asking about blowing £25,000 on a car recently.

    People like you are the reason that people with genuine problems sometimes get given a hard time and why there is often a suspicion of benefit claimants.

    Hopefully you are just a troll, as you are not coming across well with your stories / fantasies / provocations.

    A troll with 10 years membership of mse and 9000+ post? don't make me laugh
  • 50Twuncle
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    A troll with 311 posts though ?
    Thank you
  • unrecordings
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    50T - it's maybe worth a look on the forum here:

    https://www.carersuk.org/home

    seems to be inhabited by both carers and the cared for which seems to be a good balance for casual practical advice IMHO

    Updated information - I recently joined up rather than just lurking, and when I emailed to ask about clarifying I was being cared for rather than being a carer, I got this back:
    "Carers UK’s Forum is primarily a peer support service for carers and I would therefore suggest that it’s probably not the most appropriate place for you to post. However, as you say, you will have some valuable insights into the caring role and could try sharing these if you wish to. Some members can be quite protective of the Forum though so you may find that posts from someone who is not a carer are not particularly welcomed"
    Which from my point of view is a bit of a shame but there you have it - horses for courses & all that...

    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
  • kingfisherblue
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    I'm not getting into any of the arguments above, but will comment on mobility and using a gym.


    My son has very limited mobility. He has hypermobile joints and breathing problems, and he uses a wheelchair when we are out, unless for very short distances and times when we can stop frequently (and he can rest when he gets home).



    At his last SEN college, the students attended a gym for one term a year. He couldn't use all of the equipment, but was able to use some. His physiotherapist went to one of the sessions to advise on what he could and could not do. I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what equipment he was able to use, but an obvious one to me is that the rowing machine may be suitable for some people with limited mobility, if they have enough strength in their arms.



    It is possible for people with mobility problems to use some gym equipment, especially if they can have specialist input from physio. In addition to improving overall fitness, it can help with mental health as exercise releases endorphins. Also, interacting with other people, getting out and about, and having some control over the things that you want to do can all help to improve depression.
  • FunnyUseName
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    kingfisherblue wrote: »
    I'm not getting into any of the arguments above, but will comment on mobility and using a gym.


    My son has very limited mobility. He has hypermobile joints and breathing problems, and he uses a wheelchair when we are out, unless for very short distances and times when we can stop frequently (and he can rest when he gets home).



    At his last SEN college, the students attended a gym for one term a year. He couldn't use all of the equipment, but was able to use some. His physiotherapist went to one of the sessions to advise on what he could and could not do. I wasn't there, so I don't know exactly what equipment he was able to use, but an obvious one to me is that the rowing machine may be suitable for some people with limited mobility, if they have enough strength in their arms.



    It is possible for people with mobility problems to use some gym equipment, especially if they can have specialist input from physio. In addition to improving overall fitness, it can help with mental health as exercise releases endorphins. Also, interacting with other people, getting out and about, and having some control over the things that you want to do can all help to improve depression.
    Exactly what my CBT recommended - I managed to go once in April but, inadvertently, when describing particular difficulties I was having during my PIP assessment, she noted that I could socialise, get out and about, ask for help on FB - all this went against me.
    Be Thankful and Gracious.
  • GlasweJen
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    50T I'm para and use the gym for weights and swimming, they did use it against me at assessment but was overruled and awarded at tribunal.
  • FunnyUseName
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    Why does it have to go that far - My assessor didn’t know what a Sitz Bath is - wonderful!
    Be Thankful and Gracious.
  • unrecordings
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    I'm genuinely interested in this discussion, though slightly divorced from it as I'm terminally ill with a brain tumour that's slowly unplugging the left hand side of my body (and with just over three years of radio/chemo under my belt, that alone would probably entitle me to higher rate PIP)

    My observation is that ability is very difficult to assess without having experienced it. For example last year I had a very long conversation with a very nice, very experienced chemo nurse and was able to tell her something she'd never heard in 15 years of dealing with tumours & strokes: the effect is like being drunk - you have to concentrate on every single muscle/movement/process to do what you need to do. You can walk but not walk & talk, you can talk but not hold something steady and sound lucid, you can hold something but drop it when distracted. I guess my argument is that ability is multi-dimensional and very few health professionals get it, never mind third party assessors - dunno if any of that was any help to anyone...

    Why am I in this handcart and where are we going ?
  • 50Twuncle
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    GlasweJen wrote: »
    50T I'm para and use the gym for weights and swimming, they did use it against me at assessment but was overruled and awarded at tribunal.


    The system is wrong - it is too heavily weighted in favour of DWP
    I have lost count of the number of successful appeals that I have heard about ...
    How much does a tribunal cost the country - I understand that DWP do not even show up at many appeals !
  • GlasweJen
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    50Twuncle wrote: »
    The system is wrong - it is too heavily weighted in favour of DWP
    I have lost count of the number of successful appeals that I have heard about ...
    How much does a tribunal cost the country - I understand that DWP do not even show up at many appeals !

    They didn't turn up at my appeal.
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