Northern Rail Fixed Penalty Notice: Help Please

geordie_taxi · 16 April 2013 at 11:08PM

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

Incorrect again, and as I explained this is why they have signs up at all of their manned stations stating that you must purchase before you travel from said station. Yes a guard may sell you one, BUT if a revenue inspector gets to you before hand - and they have lots of them - then you will recieve a letter for the £80 fixed penalty or be taken to court.

They are crystal clear about this and the advice I give is the correct advice.

If you carry on misleading people in these threads then I will start reporting you for doing such a thing because I am tired of it now.

More rubbish jeff. posters at manned stations mean nothing if ur rights via the national rail conditions of carriage are infringed and again u know this but u prefer to argue with me when deep down u know im right

As to ur advice its not crystal clear as u had to repost it 3 times and its still been questioned by many posters on here. and ur claims to it been correct well id say its best to ignore

as to u reporting me I think u have been doing that already shame that others aint blinkered and opinionated like u or feel threaten by a different point (correct) of view

Quentin · 16 April 2013 at 11:18PM

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

If you carry on misleading people in these threads then I will start reporting you for doing such a thing because I am tired of it now.

This thread has gone on and on because of so called experts "misleading" us (in the case of the chocolate policeman, worse than "misleading", in telling us incorrect information in the 5 posts listed above), and others taking the time to point out the "mistakes".

However we are all told to be cautious over any posts written here, and you threatening to "report" posters you are tired with is just pompous, (and laughable)!

The solution for you if you are tired of reading certain posters is to "ignore" them (and go to bed).

Jeff_Bridges_hair · 17 April 2013 at 12:09AM

geordie_taxi wrote: »

More rubbish jeff. posters at manned stations mean nothing if ur rights via the national rail conditions of carriage are infringed and again u know this but u prefer to argue with me when deep down u know im right

As to ur advice its not crystal clear as u had to repost it 3 times and its still been questioned by many posters on here. and ur claims to it been correct well id say its best to ignore

as to u reporting me I think u have been doing that already shame that others aint blinkered and opinionated like u or feel threaten by a different point (correct) of view

Ok then clever clogs, can you show me in the National rail conditions of carriage where it states what you claim, that is you do not have to purchase a ticket before boarding where they are available?

Ill even show you the link http://www.southernrailway.com/download/11356.8/national-rail-conditions-of-carriage-5-oct-2011/ to assist you in finding out where it states what you claim - that you do not have to purchase a ticket before boarding if the facilities are available.

Quentin wrote: »

This thread has gone on and on because of so called experts "misleading" us (in the case of the chocolate policeman, worse than "misleading", in telling us incorrect information in the 5 posts listed above), and others taking the time to point out the "mistakes".

However we are all told to be cautious over any posts written here, and you threatening to "report" posters you are tired with is just pompous, (and laughable)!

The solution for you if you are tired of reading certain posters is to "ignore" them (and go to bed).

I would do Quentin, but also this site is for people getting the correct advice not the wrong advice which could lead them into even more trouble. GE's signature is false, his information provided is often false and goes against the NCoC quite often and also against bylaws.

geordie_taxi · 17 April 2013 at 8:54AM

To the OP and other MSE's, sorry about the chaos and anarchy this thread has descended into but I feel it is my right to defend myself when unjustifiably attacked

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

can you show me in the National rail conditions of carriage where it states what you claim, that is you do not have to purchase a ticket before boarding where they are available?Ill even show you the link

jeff thank you for posting the link but I got mine from national rail website. but saved me the hassle;

2. Requirement to hold a ticket
Before you travel you must have a ticket or other authority to travel which is valid for the
train(s) you intend to use and for the journey you intend to make.
If you travel in a train:
(a) without a ticket; or
(b) the circumstances described in any of Conditions 10, 11, 12, 18, 19, 22,
30, 35 and 39 apply;
you will be liable to pay the full single fare or full return fare or, if appropriate, a Penalty
Fare (see Condition 4) for your journey.

my bold. so if theres no legal penalty fare scheme u r not committing any offence other than having to pay full price as buying onboard means u lose the right to any discounted tickets if theres ticketing facilities available at ur start station.

so yet again your accusations of me posting incorrect info has been disproved

the rest of your post is dribble or selective, like ignoring the point I made about u having to repost 3 time as people didn't believe u. all ur posts are designed to do is attack me and not help the OP

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

GE's signature is false, his information provided is often false and goes against the NCoC quite often and also against bylaws.

that's libellous jeff there is nothing false about my signature its just that u have taken offence against it and now in a unhealthy obsessive troll like manner follow me around the forum and with no regard/respect to the OP's post

Jeff_Bridges_hair · 18 April 2013 at 11:31PM

geordie_taxi · 19 April 2013 at 7:48PM

Jeff_Bridges_hair · 20 April 2013 at 5:25AM

geordie_taxi wrote: »

that's libellous jeff there is nothing false about my signature its just that u have taken offence against it and now in a unhealthy obsessive troll like manner follow me around the forum and with no regard/respect to the OP's post

So sue me then.

Fares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited

If you were a fares advisor then you would know about the need for a passenger too purchase a ticekt before they travel where facilities are provided.

If you were an Oyster specialist then you would know who to send any complaints to for journeys within London. You dont.

Who are uk rail and what fares workshop did you attend for this ficticious body to accredit you and with what accreditation? There is no company nor any body I can find who call themselves Uk Rail anywhere.

So I am calling your signature false and that you have it there to lie to people who you claim you are trying to help to give yourself some sort of authority yet you never seem to give fare information, you never seem to give Oyster information either and a lot, if not most of the information you do give is incorrect.

So sue me. Or show us all your accreditation from this ficticious 'Uk Rail' people or stop lying to people who come here for help and advice.

geordie_taxi · 20 April 2013 at 9:43AM

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

So sue me then.

childish jeff its only an internet forum and ive got better things 2 do with my time like help people with fare problems

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

If you were a fares advisor then you would know about the need for a passenger too purchase a ticekt before they travel where facilities are

If you were an Oyster specialist then you would know who to send any complaints to for journeys within London.

already answered those questions correctly I can provide links to were the answers r or were u agreed with me if u like

as to ur drivel about my signature it seems to me one last roll of the dice to discredit me. It just makes u sound so bitter and twisted. very sad man if u have problem with my signature let mse sort it instead of ruining this thread

giraffe69 · 20 April 2013 at 9:52AM

Fares Advisor & Oyster Specialist - ukRail Fares Workshop Accredited

I guess spelling and punctuation were not part of the test to gain this qualification.

firstclassx · 20 April 2013 at 7:14PM

Presumably it doesn't need to be pointed out that the National Rail Conditions of Carriage are a civil (contract) matter, and the railway Byelaws are criminal legislation AND that civil legislation/contract CANNOT overrule criminal legislation.

Byelaw_18(1) wrote:

In any area not designated as a compulsory ticket area, no person shall enter any train for the purpose of travelling on the railway unless he has with him a valid ticket entitling him to travel.

The ONLY exceptions are:

(i) there were no facilities in working order for the issue or
validation of any ticket at the time when, and the station where,
he began his journey; or
(ii) there was a notice at the station where he began his journey
permitting journeys to be started without a valid ticket; or
(iii) an authorised person gave him permission to travel without a
valid ticket.

The National Rail Conditions of Carriage, (Section 1(A)(b)), also state that the above Byelaw applies.

Tickets remain the property of the relevant Train Company. Each ticket is issued subject to:
(a) these Conditions;
(b) the applicable byelaws;

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