corgi a must?

ade1882 · 15 October 2004 at 12:12AM

i take it i can take this as gospel and don't have 2 worry about the legal implications. as long as i get the corgi guy to make the final connection. are you a plumber?

Jamescarver · 15 October 2004 at 3:45PM

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Look here for comprehensive gas fitting info..http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html

Basically, anyone who is 'competent' can do any form of gas work; that is what the law states. But how you judge competancy is another matter. If a Corgi resgisted installer does your installation, and 5months later the house explodes, is he competent?

FYI, I understand the same 'competancy' issue will soon be applied to electrical installations

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chateau42 · 15 October 2004 at 4:06PM

Re efficiency of boilers, any type, life cycle costing is a must. Considerations include, maintenance labour, cost of replacement components, reliability and, very important, the likely life of the boiler, as well as thermal efficiency. Ideally get a discounted cash flow projection. :-[ Ask a supplier those questions and prepare to be astounded at the answers that you will receive. ::)

loon_2 · 19 October 2004 at 4:54PM

if you do not use a corgi registered fitter, then most companies will not insure the property and it may nullify your buildings insurance.

chubbybrown4real · 20 October 2004 at 2:29AM

D.I.Y

then get a COrgi gas fitter to approve the system and hook up the mains.

if your using ptfe tape make sure its for gas

and gas fitters dont use it anymore,its gone hi tec now

you get what you pay for !

thats the Dodge

but I work in the gas trade and wouldnt touch gas with a bargepole !

2p over

futumsch · 20 October 2004 at 6:43PM

Hi ade. I go along with what pak says about this. But I see Halsted nr leamington spa are doing a Corgi course for £53. (Any comment on that Chubby?) might just save your butt if you feel you want to fit your boiler yourself. I know you get the satisfaction you know its done neatly when you do things yourself, but you wanna know uts damn correct with Gas.

You also want to look at part L Building regs from the odpm (dep. prime minister) website. and you can also find the boiler database at sedbuk.com, where you will find all the boilers available and what efficiency they are. All boilers from 1 April 2005 have to be energy efficiency A or B rated and must be condensing(mentioned in the Part L regs amendment proposal) . The thing that puts me off a condensing boiler, is its shorter lifespan, because of the corrosive condensate it has, and it doesnt need too many thermostatic valve rads on them either, because they are only efficient if they have a good flow through them.

I see B&Q are doing Gas boilers half price (or were), around £500, so you may want to get one in now and do some extra savings.

Hope thats some help ade.

chubbybrown4real · 20 October 2004 at 9:25PM

Hi ade. I go along with what pak says about this. But I see Halsted nr leamington spa are doing a Corgi course for £53. (Any comment on that Chubby?) might just save your butt if you feel you want to fit your boiler yourself. I know you get the satisfaction you know its done neatly when you do things yourself, but you wanna know uts damn correct with Gas.

You also want to look at part L Building regs from the odpm (dep. prime minister) website. and you can also find the boiler database at sedbuk.com, where you will find all the boilers available and what efficiency they are. All boilers from 1 April 2005 have to be energy efficiency A or B rated and must be condensing(mentioned in the Part L regs amendment proposal) . The thing that puts me off a condensing boiler, is its shorter lifespan, because of the corrosive condensate it has, and it doesnt need too many thermostatic valve rads on them either, because they are only efficient if they have a good flow through them.

I see B&Q are doing Gas boilers half price (or were), around £500, so you may want to get one in now and do some extra savings.

Hope thats some help ade.

These gas fitters have to pass certain sections to be able to do certain things..I.E

caravans and mobile home is one section
natural gas is another
LPG is another
boilers is another
tumble dryers is another

you get the idea

Im sure its about 2k to get them all

I havent mentioned commercial work yet.

some fitters can only work in copper,some can work in 2' steel some can work in vapour phase some can work in liquid.

A friend went to get a DIY setup ok'ed via a corgi gas fitter,
the guy took 15 minutes to pipe it up and about another 2 hours moaning,it cost £300
needless to say always get a quote first !

and after all that he piped (wired) up the boiler thermostat wrong,after the halsted (wickes boiler) man finding it under warranty and then he told him to get man back to fault find it.
The next part ,was well,he not admitting to fault and bag of tools being thrown out the door into the street,we all dislike liars.
and wanting to recharge for his visit.

[Deleted User] · 22 October 2004 at 8:17PM

British Gas took 20 odd years to fix my water heater, during which time it exploded twice. They also sold me a new heater unnecessarily. Only when I threatened legal action did they fit the modification that they could have done in the first place.
So much for the security of a CORGI contractor.

George_Bray · 27 October 2004 at 3:07PM

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Look here for comprehensive gas fitting info..http://www.makewrite.demon.co.uk/GasFitting.html

Basically, anyone who is 'competent' can do any form of gas work; that is what the law states.
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James

The link you suggested is most interesting. When I last read the 'law' at corgi's webs site, I was sure that DIY work was illegal. See: http://www.corgi-gas-safety.com/section_gas_law/the_law.asp

But I think you're right. It's not, as long as you are 'competent'. They say "Do-it-yourself work on gas appliances or fittings could be dangerous and is likely to be illegal." What do they mean by 'LIKELY to be illegal'?

Corgi themselves are seeking to maximise work for their members by exaggerating the risks. The risks are high. They make them out to be even higher.

Suggested approach:
1. Install all components yourself. I think it may still be illegal for a non-corgi registered fitter to charge for his services.
2. Get it checked by a corgi engineer for peace of mind, before use.

Regards
George

Jamescarver · 27 October 2004 at 4:35PM

George,

Glad you liked it!!

It's a bit cheeky of corgi saying 'likley to be illegal'>>Personally, I think this is a caviat statement to the previous line of ;

"Only a competent person can carry out work on gas appliances or fittings."

I thnink your approach is right. Do it yourself (if you feel inclined/competent/worthy) and get a corgi fitter to check it.

Also, when priccing up the job, get a corgi fitter to price up for installing the system and also checking the systems (assuming you fit it)

I'm always of the opinion that if I can try/do somethng, without it being dengerous, or costing me more money than if a tradesperson were to do it, i'd give it ago. In such a scenario, there is little to loose.

After recently purchasing a house, I got a corgi registered fitter to service a combi boiler. never again. all he did was run a bruch over the fins of the heat exchanger - I sneakily chatted to him, and watched him do it all! took him 25mins (1/2 of which was spent waitng for the boiler to get up to heat) cost me £55!!

you need a bloody qualification for that!!...

corgi a must?

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