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  • tacpot12 wrote: »
    Kids don't know what they are capable of unless someone pushes them, and very often they are surprised at just how much more they can do than they imagined.
    Whereas at my local RC primary school I knew I was capable of far more than the work our teachers were giving us and they were holding me back to the pace of the rest of the class, leaving me bored senseless and a disruption. "Pushed" I certainly was not. Primary school really felt like a total waste of four years, waiting for everyone else to catch up to the level I was already at.



    My teacher in the final year there told me this a few days before the summer holiday, I would have just turned 12: "When you start at grammar school you'll be taken down a peg or two and you'll just be another middling student as there will be lots of people cleverer than you in your class." Mrs Lowe, I'll never forget her saying that. She was totally wrong - I was top of my class and in the top 5% of my year in maths, the sciences, technology and languages, but at least the work was interesting and required some effort.



    I had another experience at secondary school, at the end of the first term of the 4th year, which was the first term we were doing the subjects we had picked for O level so had new teachers in every subject. My new physics teacher gave me a C- for attainment on my report card and I was devastated when I had been getting A consistently for the last two years. Turned out he had decided I was cheating on homework as despite getting every answer right, I was mostly solving problems by inspection, which is just seeing the answer by looking at it, so no "working out" required by me or shown in my submission. He didn't believe a 14 year old capable of that, so marked as if I had copied someone else's answers. When I got 98%, top of the class by miles, in the end of year exams he realised his profound error in his treatment of me. Idiot.



    Schoolteachers don't know everything, most particularly about the abilities of the students they teach, and many don't have a shred of empathy.






    To the OP, from my experience of being a child, I would say the most important thing is that your daughter feels you are listening to her concerns, understanding them and taking them seriously, not taking the default position that because the teacher is a professional person they must be right. The worst thing you can do IMO (again, speaking from my experience of being a child, not a parent) is make her feel isolated and unsupported at home (or worse still, condescended to) when she has problems at / with the school.
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  • Savvy_Sue
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    When I questioned my daughter it seems the comments have been made to the class in general, not her personally.
    In that case, your DD needs to be more resilient, although I'd also feel that the teacher's comments weren't necessarily completely appropriate. One of my siblings taught in a private school, and one of their bugbears was an expectation that results would be good because parents were paying - unrelated to any effort put in by the students!

    So it may be a new / inexperienced teacher who hasn't yet worked out how to get the best from students, so talking to your DD's tutor may be worthwhile, and she may have some insights for building resilience.

    I do remember one of my classmates asking one teacher why they always said she needed to work harder, because she reckoned she WAS working hard. Her problems were compounded by being a twin, and her twin always did better than her. I piped up and said "yes, and you always say I'm working hard, and actually I'm not really." :rotfl:

    And the teacher said that this other girl didn't appear to be working hard, whereas I did, and we both felt that appearances could be deceptive! So the teacher said that she'd try to revise her expectations of both of us, and I'd better start coming first in tests etc - which seemed a tad unfair because I wasn't necessarily the brightest in the bunch, I just found learning fairly effortless at that age.

    You say though that you don't want to ruin your DD's childhood. You perhaps need a bit of resilience too ... You're approaching the teenage years, when WHATEVER you do will be wrong. You will hear "It's not fair" and "Everyone else's parents let them do ..."

    I realised when DS1 was about this age, that he thought my job was to make life fair for him. Since what he thought was 'fair' was actually terribly unfair for his brothers, I pointed out to him that no, my job was NOT to make life fair for him. My job was to teach him that life is NOT fair, life is HARD, sometimes very hard, and it was up to him to DEAL WITH IT.

    I had no idea of the need to instil resilience in them, it wasn't a 'thing' in those days, but I'm pleased to say they've all dealt with life's trials and tribulations in their own different ways.
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  • ViolaLass
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    When the teachers tell her that she must do better, or words to that effect, does your daughter know exactly what they want her to do?

    'Better' is vague, 'present your work like this' or 'don't talk when the teacher is talking' or 'remember to put a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence' is specific.

    If she doesn't know, she should ask.
  • dawyldthing
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    They say the same in normal secondary schools too. I remember being in year 9, we were the middle set and the maths teacher stood up one day, lost her rag with us all and said ‘unless you buck all your ideas up you won’t get a c in gcse.’, made us all think.

    Problem is the earlier she could get pushed hopefully the more she retains ready for exams. She could well be coasting along, possibly doing the same as what she did in primary school, but if it gives her the push to get the qualifications she needs long term it’s got to be worth it.

    Plus ask her if there is things she is struggling with, as she might just need it being told a different way to help them
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  • Pollycat
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    My daughter is in year 8 at an independent school and has told me she is unhappy at school as she feels the teachers expectations are too high and it's making her feel inadequate. It seems some teachers are quite blunt and say things such as 'its not good enough' or ' you need to try harder' . One teacher said something along the lines of ' your parents expect more because they are paying'. The last comment I personally thought was a bit unfair. My daughter apologized for wasting our money so I think she feels guilty.I have reassured my daughter we chose this school because we thought it was the best for her. We don't expect any more or less because we are paying.

    I'm not sure what to do. Is my daughter being a bit too sensetive? Are the teachers really putting too much pressure on the kids? I have thought of exploring different schools but I'm not sure that's the solution. All of our local schools are rated below average academically and behaviorally. I think she might be exchanging one problem for another if she moved.

    I'm thinking I need to boost her confidence and foster some resilience but what if she really is truly unhappy and I'm doing the wrong thing? I don't want to ruin her childhood. Any suggestions?
    I'd be asking if the comments in bold from teachers are actually true.
    Is your daughter's work below the standard expected?
    Is she really trying her best or is she coasting?

    All you can expect from your child is for them to do the very best they can and put in the maximum effort.


    FTR - I think the 3rd comment about you as parents expecting more because you're paying is way out of order.
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    It seems some teachers are quite blunt and say things such as 'its not good enough' or ' you need to try harder' . One teacher said something along the lines of ' your parents expect more because they are paying'. The last comment I personally thought was a bit unfair.


    Oh no. How will she cope. Looks to me if she's getting a fresh and sound taste of the real world. Too many schools put the kids on a pedalstal not realising that they are setting them up for a fail in the work place.



    I had a student of mine that said "I can't wait to leave school so I don't have to listen to teachers telling me what to do all the time". He left and started working in a factory and difference is I would say "Mr X, please will you log on the computer and try not to be late again"...his boss will say..."Mr X, get here on time otherwise you'll be fired, log onto your f--ing computer now".


    The teacher's comments are perfect valid and encourarge your daughter with the same (albeit watered down) version of what will be expected in the workplace. Don't be one of those helicopter parents protecting a snowflake. She needs toughening up - it's tough out there.
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    I have thought of exploring different schools but I'm not sure that's the solution

    If this is a one off comment, or even one teacher's views, then you can accept it. However, if this is the genuine attitude of the school then you have to consider if it is the right environment for your child. There are many private schools around that are more nuturing and less exam focused.
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  • Madmel
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    Different teachers have different teaching styles. I normally work p/t in a fab secondary school. I have just taken on some extra work in the local primary. I thought I would cope best with year 6 as they are closest in age to what I am used to - WRONG! Year 3 is my favourite because they trust me, they listen and they adore praise. The year 6 class is getting there but they are not used to be spoken to like secondary kids and some of them are really silly.

    In the OP's case, I don't think the teacher was wrong. Yes, she has upset the OP's daughter but if her words (and they are only words) make the girl put in that bit more effort now, just think what she could achieve. It was not personal to the DD, more the whole class, so I would tell the child to keep working hard and ensuring she does her best.

    I spent 2 terms working in a private school a few years ago. Whilst there were some fab kids, there were a couple who clearly told me that because there parents were paying, they didn't need to behave properly or do as I asked them! I never get that in my main job.
  • Fireflyaway
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    Thanks for all the comments and different viewpoints.

    As far as I know my daughter is working to the expected level and with the expected attitude. The school provide regular reports and according to those she is achieving what she needs to be. Obviously she finds some things challenging but overall I don't think she is behind. She doesn't give herself enough credit for her achievements.

    We picked the school because we believed it to be nurturing and not as 'pushy' as some schools. Its small and non selective and there is a caring atmosphere. I do take the point about not being able to please some teenagers! One of the reasons for choosing this school is because I did want her to be challenged to a degree but not overly so. I was given easy work at secondary school and I don't think there was any expectations. Turning up was enough.

    The comment about the lack of clarity from the teachers is a great point. I did ask my daughter if the teacher explained how to do better (it was in an art lesson) and apparently she didn't. Other comments seem to be quite general to the whole class. I know in a recent test some students scored lower than expected so maybe it was a general reminder to everyone to try harder. I know for sure the teacher who made the comment about expecting more because its fee paying has only been in post 2 weeks.
  • Primrose
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    SPerhaps your daughter needs some help at home from her parents to help her understand what is involved in "doing better", ie she needs to understand how to analyse and break down the individual processes involved in any particular task she undertakes

    Take for example writing an essay. Help her to understand how to learn to "eat the elephant piece by piece". Not to just start typing or write as vague thoughts come into her head but how to plan a beginning, marshall and note down key facts, and understand how to draw a conclusion to round off her argument.

    Another example Get her to try anaylsing a task like clearing away the dinner table. Is an ok job just dumping all the dirty stuff onto the kitchen counter? Or is does "doing better" mean scraping the dishes, outting the plates in the dishwasher or washing them up by hand and then packing everything away? For her to analyse how she,s doing she needs to understand the processes involved in her schoolwork so she understands exactly what she has to focus on to "do better". If she has to go the extra mile, she needs perhaps to understand what she has to do to demonstrate that she is improving.

    Asking her sympathetically the question "what could you have done differently to get a better result?" may help her better understand how she can improve her performance. She may well be faced with these sorts of questions in annual performance reviews in her working life. Starting the process at school will better equip her for coping in whatever career she chooses to follow.
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