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Who will pay for the funeral?

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  • madbadrob
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    daska wrote: »
    Rob,

    Did you not try clicking the links I included in my post?

    Daska

    No I went and spoke to a funeral director friend of mine :)

    Rob
  • daska
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    oliveoil99 wrote: »
    They are getting a £1000 funeral payment, the rest has tobe found by the family.


    In my memory I'm sure I watched a programme about funerals and they say there is a basic package for a funeral that is not mentioned by the funeral director you have to ask them about it, no cars, no flowers, no annoucements in the paper just the basics what you are legally required to do, might have a look into that myself.

    Sorry Olive, my comment wasn't supposed to be a rebuke to you. It was actually in response to the sarky one from Rob who was so keen to point out how wrong I was that he didn't bother to click the two links in my post that provided evidence for my statement....

    Legally you are not required to do anything. The local Council/Hospital in which the deceased died are legally obliged to do it no one else can/will.
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  • madbadrob
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    daska wrote: »
    Sorry Olive, my comment wasn't supposed to be a rebuke to you. It was actually in response to the sarky one from Rob who was so keen to point out how wrong I was that he didn't bother to click the two links in my post that provided evidence for my statement....


    Daska my first was not sarky at all but my last one was :D

    Rob
  • oliveoil99
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    annie-c wrote: »
    Olive, I was recently in the position of helping someone in the situation you are describing, until it came to light that the deceased family member had left an estate that would cover the funeral costs. It was an extremely difficult time and I sympathise with you.

    The information that I found was that there are aspects of the system that are the same nationwide, and other aspects that differ regionally.

    The issues that are the same nationally (well, actually, I can only speak for England and Wales) is that in the event that the deceased died with absolutely no estate, then the next of kin can apply for a Funeral Payment, which is a grant that will cover part, but not all of the costs of a basic funeral. The payment covers the costs of cremation fees and approx £700 towards a basic funeral (ie the collection and preparation of the body, coffin, transport of the coffin to the crematorium, disposal of the ashes, etc). Unfortunately, the most basic of funerals in the area I was looking came to £1100 plus cremation fees, leaving a shortfall of £400. (We found that "basic" or "simple" funerals were advertised and had their own webpage on several independent funeral directors' websites, and when we made enquiries, there was no attempt to hide this or charge us more than we wanted to pay). Eligibility for the Funeral Payment is dependent on the next-of-kin's financial income (or, if not the direct next of kin, someone who passes a set of criteria for being reasonably responsible for making the arrangements).

    If there is no way that the family can meet the shortfall, then what happens next depends on local/individual circumstances. If the deceased ever served in the armed forces or belonged to any other organisation with a benevolent fund, they will sometimes be able to help. If the family is able to make a small deposit on the shortfall, some funeral directors will offer credit terms for repayment in installments.

    If there is absolutely no-one able to take responsibility for payment/arrangements of the funeral, then it becomes the responsibility of the local authority to arrange a funeral under (I'm sorry this is so harsh) the Control of Diseases Act. It then depends on the local authority whether the funeral will be a private cremation, or whether the chapel of rest will be open to family and friends.

    It is a horrible, horrible situation and in the case I was helping with, it was fortunate that there turned out to be an estate from which to pay the costs. I know this is an issue on which the CAB have been campaigning and I hope that the situation changes in future.
    The funeral has now taken place, there will a funeral payment to help towards it but will only cover about a 1/3rd, there is just a daughter who has serious mental health issues who arranged the funeral the wider family as still not come forward to help the daughter out, with the balance that is owing it will take the daughter years to pay back the balance out of benefits, hope the funeral director will be sympathetic with her situation. Would they take you to court for payment? At the end of the day they cann't get blood out of a stone and something over time is better than nothing.
  • perfecta1
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    I do not want to be nasty or mean but what happen if no one pays for the funeral? What if a died person has no family at all? no estate, totally nothing? They can't throw out body on the street. :cool:
  • daska
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    edited 20 March 2013 at 11:30PM
    oliveoil99 wrote: »
    The funeral has now taken place, there will a funeral payment to help towards it but will only cover about a 1/3rd, there is just a daughter who has serious mental health issues who arranged the funeral the wider family as still not come forward to help the daughter out, with the balance that is owing it will take the daughter years to pay back the balance out of benefits, hope the funeral director will be sympathetic with her situation. Would they take you to court for payment? At the end of the day they cann't get blood out of a stone and something over time is better than nothing.

    Unfortunately the daughter has entered into a contract with the funeral directors and therefore she is responsible for paying the bill. Does she have a care manager? It might be worth getting them involved to help find a solution.
    perfecta1 wrote: »
    I do not want to be nasty or mean but what happen if no one pays for the funeral? What if a died person has no family at all? no estate, totally nothing? They can't throw out body on the street. :cool:

    The hospital or local council provide a basic funeral and recoup what costs they can from the estate of the deceased.
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  • oliveoil99
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    daska wrote: »
    Unfortunately the daughter has entered into a contract with the funeral directors and therefore she is responsible for paying the bill. Does she have a care manager? It might be worth getting them involved to help find a solution.



    The hospital or local council provide a basic funeral and recoup what costs they can from the estate of the deceased.



    Yes daska she has a support worker, I was thinking if she could get a load from DWP then pay off the funeral but with all the cut-backs and were not talking about a few hundred £ more like a couple of thousand. Sorry loan not load.
  • Dunroamin
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    oliveoil99 wrote: »
    I always thought it was the financial situation of the deceased not the person organising he funeral.

    People paying for their own funeral is quite a recent development.
  • Mojisola
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    Dunroamin wrote: »
    People paying for their own funeral is quite a recent development.

    Not in my family. My grandmother paid into an insurance policy so that there was money to bury herself and my grandfather. She encouraged my mother to do the same when she married.

    There was a real fear of not having enough money for a funeral. Having seen people in the village being given a pauper's burial in an unmarked grave made a big impression on her.
  • daska
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    Not in my family either, I remember the man calling every week at my Nana's for the insurance. Pity my parents didn't believe me when she died as they paid for her to be cremated and her insurance, when they found it, would have paid for the burial she wanted. My grandparents didn't buy insurance but they made sure there was money in a joint bank a/c with my dad so that he could pay for things without a problem without having to wait for probate.
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