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Wife didn't update DVLA with new address. Got a parking ticket we didn't realise which is now a CCJ!

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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 23 May 2019 at 9:44PM
    Because they hadn't updated the V5c:
    Actually they have sent them but to the wrong address. However the wrong address is her fault for not updating her v5. I did ask some questions double checking if we could still put it aside
    This is the same as 99% of set aside threads we see!

    HAPPENS TO ALMOST ALL POSTERS AND THEY ALL WIN THEIR SET ASIDES.

    Simply search the forum for set aside 6 point order and change the default ADVANCED search to 'SHOW RESULTS AS POSTS'.

    Plagiarise one, can be done within the hour, I promise. WS, draft order, and N244.

    Tonight, job done, then take it to your local court before noon tomorrow, keeping a copy and asking for a receipt if they will provide one (the court might just have a box!).

    How about asking to pay the £255 court fee by card, then they HAVE to give a receipt and that can be shown, with your own photocopy of the N244/WS and draft order, to the bailiffs.

    The name in the POC is irrelevant if the actual Defendant is shown as your wife's name.
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  • Sam_Brown
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    edited 24 May 2019 at 12:39AM
    "WS, draft order, and N244"

    I assume the WS and Draft Order are separate documents I send with the N244?

    EDIT: Also to confuse matters the CCJ is in my wife's maiden name and we got married AFTER the CCJ was issued. Does this require any additional steps?
  • Coupon-mad
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    Yes, as you will see on the other set aside threads.

    Search using the keywords I said, changing the default search like I said, and you'd have found loads of threads with these documents repeated, in less than a tenth of a second.

    We want you to do the searches, not us, as providing links doesn't help people see how brilliant this forum is when you simply search for what you need. It's a skill that will help you to fight this and win.

    :)
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  • Sam_Brown
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    edited 24 May 2019 at 1:00AM
    Thanks for your help. I'm still concerned about the fact the CCJ is against my wifes maiden name and has since been married. I'm concerned about the set aside request being thrown out on a technical error! Do I use her maiden name as that is the name on the CCJ \ Claim or her married name as that is her name now?

    Please see below my draft order \ ws. If you could help me out one last time and check this is ok I think we are just about there :)
  • Sam_Brown
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    DRAFT ORDER

    IN THE COUNTY COURT AT: Northampton

    National Parking Management (Claimant)

    And

    MISS FIRSTNAME MAIDENNAME (Defendant)

    CLAIM No: XXXXXXX

    IT IS ORDERED that:

    1. The default judgment dated 25/04/2018 be set aside.

    2. Costs to be reserved.

    3. Unless the Claimant serves a copy of the claim form on the Defendant by 4pm on XX/XX/19 paragraph 2 shall cease to have effect and the Claimant shall pay the Defendant's costs summarily assessed at £255 and the claim shall be struck out.

    4. If the Claimant serves the claim form as directed in paragraph 3 the Defendant shall file and serve a defence by 4pm on XX/XX/2019.

    5. Should the Claimant discontinue the Claim after the CCJ is set aside, paragraph 2 shall cease to have effect and the Claimant shall pay the Defendant's costs summarily assessed at £255 plus the Defendant's costs for attending the hearing.

    6. All enforcement be put on hold pending the outcome of the application.

    WITNESS STATEMENT

    7. I am FIRST NAME MAIDEN NAME and I am the defendant in this matter. This is my supporting statement to my application dated 24/05/2019 August 2019 requesting to:

    a. Set aside the default judgment dated 25th April November 2018 as it was defectively served using an old address.

    b. Order for the claimant to pay the defendant £255 as reimbursement for the set aside fee.

    c. Order for the original claim to be dismissed.

    DEFAULT JUDGMENT

    8. I understand that the claimant obtained a default judgment against me on 25th April 2018. However, it was not served at my current address, therefore I was not aware of the county court judgment until a few weeks ago when a credit check indicated a CCJ on my credit report. I understand that this claim was served at 17 ADDRESS. However, I moved to a new address on 29th January 2016 which can be proved by the signed tenancy agreement (appendix a)

    9. I have never received any correspondence from the claimant, therefore I was never able to challenge the original charge nor the judgment.

    10. I have never received any correspondence and at no point prior to 25th April 2018 did I have any contact with the claimant.

    11. I believe the claimant has behaved unreasonably by not ensuring they used my correct contact details. According to publicly available information my circumstances are far from being unique. National Parking Managements persistent failure to use correct and current addresses results in an unnecessary burden for individuals and the justice system.

    12. I suggest the claimant did not make reasonable enquiries as to my current address before perusing the court order especially considering they had good reason to believe they did not hold my current contact details. Furthermore, considering they received no response from me to their correspondence this should have been a clear indication of the obsolescence of the address 17 St Georges Place.

    13. The claimant was able to obtain my correct and current address after (25th April 2018) to make me aware of the money owed but only after such time that a CCJ had been passed. This clearly demonstrates that they were aware that they did not have the correct address at the time of perusing the court order but only decided to update their information after it would be too late for me to defend the claim.

    14. Considering the above I was unable to defend this claim. Therefore, I believe that the default judgment against me was irregular and I respectfully request it is set aside.

    ORDER DISMISSING THE CLAIM

    15. I further believe that the original parking charge notice has no merit and should thus be dismissed. The claimant is a parking company which seeks to claim for parking charge notices which the claimant believes are due as a result of an alleged breach of contract for parking by a driver.

    16. The claimant has obtained details of the vehicle for which the defendant was the registered keeper and used those details to raise a parking charge notice. I dispute this charge in its entirety as I do not know the wording of the contract nor do I know the means by which the contract was alleged to have come into force.

    17. If the claimant can evidence that the alleged incident relates to the vehicle AS99 ZXY any notice to keeper issued by the claimant must comply with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Otherwise, the claimant is required to prove the driver of the vehicle they claim was involved in the alleged incident. I submit that the claimant cannot provide such evidence and further submit that the claimant does not include Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ; wording on the parking charge notices they issue and therefore cannot hold the registered keeper of the vehicle automatically liable.

    18. A requirement of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 is that any notice to keeper must be served within 14 days of the date of the alleged incident. Since I have not received any documentation I submit the claimant has not complied with the requirements of the Act and thus cannot claim this charge against me as the registered keeper in any case.

    19. I further submit that the parking charge notice is without merit due to substantial issues in law. This is for the following reasons:

    a. Lack of Standing by Claimant: The claimant is not the landowner of the car park in question and will have no proprietary interest in it. This means that the claimant, as a matter of law, will have no locus standi to litigate in their own name. Any consideration will have been provided by the landholder and only they would have been able claim for any damages or trespass.

    b. No Loss Suffered by Claimant: Their claim is presumably based on damages for alleged breach of contract. It is a fundamental principle of English Law that a party who suffers damages through breach of contract can only seek through court action to be put back in the same position as they would have been if the breach had not occurred. In order to do so they must demonstrate their actual or genuine pre-estimate of loss. I submit that no loss has been suffered by the claimant as a result of any alleged breaches of contract on the part of any driver of the vehicle of which I was the registered keeper. I further submit that any loss to the landowner (which would be the only party able to claim such losses) would be minimal.

    c. The Charge is an Unenforceable Penalty: I further submit that the parking charge is nothing but an unenforceable penalty as it is not based on any loss suffered due to the alleged infraction.

    d. No Contract with the Claimant: Any contract must have offer, acceptance, and consideration both ways. There would not have been consideration from the claimant to the driver. Therefore, there is no consideration from the driver to National Parking Management.

    20. On this basis I believe that the claimant has not provided any reasonable cause of action and thus the claim should be dismissed in its entirety.

    21. In order to make informed decisions and statements in my defence as former keeper of the vehicle I will require copies of all paperwork and pictures of all signs from the claimant.

    Statement of Truth:
    I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 24 May 2019 at 1:22AM
    I'm still concerned about the fact the CCJ is against my wifes maiden name and has since been married. I'm concerned about the set aside request being thrown out on a technical error! Do I use her maiden name as that is the name on the CCJ \ Claim or her married name as that is her name now?
    Enclose a copy of her birth and marriage certificate (if you have these to hand to photocopy!) and do the set aside application in her maiden name (but then married name added in brackets and explain the fact she is now 'Mrs xxxxxx' in the N244).

    Or do as you have shown and do it in her maiden name and she should sign that way too, under her statement of truth on the WS and in the N244. She can always take her marriage cert along with everything else she wants the Judge to consider, to the hearing.

    Either way is fine! It all makes sense.

    Also add a 'note' somewhere suitable in the N244 itself, as well as in the WS, that bailiffs are threatening the Defendant and that time is of the essence, and it would be appreciated if the court could act quickly to arrange a date for the set aside hearing and use their case management powers to order that all enforcement is stayed until after that hearing.

    Remove 19(b) and (c) as there is NO argument based on 'no loss'' since Beavis.

    Apart from that, perfect.

    Is it this place, do you see similarities in post #22 'Tenant's Duties/Rights'?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5649274/4-pcns-in-7-days-in-residential-carpark

    When it comes to defending the claim (after set aside, the second hearing, to KILL THE SCAM OFF) it would be good if she can in the meantime get hold of a copy of her tenancy agreement. This can be obtained from the Letting Agent under a SAR within 30 days and is worth applying for next week so she has that coming.
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  • Sam_Brown
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    Coupon-mad wrote: »
    Is it this place, do you see similarities in post #22 'Tenant's Duties/Rights'?

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5649274/4-pcns-in-7-days-in-residential-carpark

    Same company and town! Slightly different issue as it was parking on the street my wife got hit with. Parking on the street was allowed for the first 12 months or so then some ambiguous signs went up over night in the car park that also apparently referred to the street as well...
  • Coupon-mad
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    The street in the residential estate? Then it's likely there were existing easements from the 'servient' tenant (estate freeholder) that the residents enjoyed, that couldn't just be removed, or changed, or charged for.

    But that is for later, this (now) is not defence stage, this is set aside stage and you have done what you need as long as you remove those words about 'loss' and renumber 19 appropriately.

    Or change 19(b) to talk about the fact NPM signs went up against the interests of the residents and paid no regard to existing rights, grants and easements. And that the keeper (don't say driver) of the car was a resident, and at all times the various drivers of this car would have parked it in accordance with the Tenants' Rights which were a fundamental part of the agreement signed long before this third party Claimant stuck some cardboard signs up to try to unlawfully vary and ride roughshod over tenants rights and easements.

    And change 19(c) to say that NPM's signs were in any event incapable of forming a valid contract, failed to comply with their Trade Association's Code of Practice, and were sparsely placed and non-prominent, with no clear indication that drivers who had previously parked free, were having some sort of contract bolted onto their tenancy without consultation.
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  • Sam_Brown
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    Thank you. One final quick question if I may. I know if sending by post I need three copies. Is that still necessary if delivering by hand?
  • Coupon-mad
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    No, just keep one set of everything for your wife to bring to the set aside hearing - and to show to the bailiffs (without letting them in!).

    No open doors until this set aside hearing is set, or the bailiffs can walk in.

    Get a receipt for the £255 and pay by card in the morning, don't assume the court will be open in the afternoon on a Friday before a Bank holiday. And it may be obvious but check which local court nearest you deals with small claims (no going to a criminal or magistrates court by mistake).

    You can Google to make sure, name of town and 'small claims' and see if they are listed as being heard at that court.
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