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carer7383
carer7383 Posts: 4 Newbie
edited 27 August 2018 at 1:28PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
Thanks in advance for reading and advising.
My moms received a CC claim form from a county court.
She has less than 7 days to fill in that form as I was just made aware of it.
I believe we should defend the claim but I need help in filling out the form
Right now I just need to send this.
So from my understanding we JUST fill out the Acknowlegment of service section? And tick intend to defend all of this claim?
It an overwhelming experience. After reading previous posts Im feeling better about the situation and hence this post.
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  • Le_Kirk
    Le_Kirk Posts: 24,602 Forumite
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    Yes, you should do AOS and this can be done on-line. You can assist but it should be in the name of the recipient of the claim form. Use this link to find out how to do the AOS and what to do next. when you follow the link scroll down until you reach this bit: -
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0
  • KeithP
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    carer7383 wrote: »
    My moms received a CC claim form from a county court.

    What is the Date of Issue on the Claim Form?
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 5 September 2018 at 3:05PM
    I need help in filling out the form
    Right now I just need to send this.
    So from my understanding we JUST fill out the Acknowlegment of service section?
    No you do not send any form, do not fill out anything on paper.

    Please read the NEWBIES thread 2nd post and do the AOS online, as shown there.
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  • System
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    What is the background to the claim? What did they say the driver did and are they chasing her as the driver or the keeper?
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  • carer7383
    carer7383 Posts: 4 Newbie
    edited 5 September 2018 at 2:08AM
    Thank you all for answering.
    I submitted the AoS few days back (within 14 days of date of service) on behalf of my mother.
    She was issued the NTK as keeper.
    On the day of the infraction she suffered a nasty fall and was not in the condition to walk. The car was collected by an another driver 90 mins late than the allowed 60mins. She is elderly and holds a blue badge.
    The initial ANPR NTK was issued 7 weeks after the date of infraction. She didn’t receive it as she was out of the country and was also not received in the post.
    She found out about the incident after the second NTK arrived, issued on 21 Dec but received in post after new year holidays. By the time she opened the letter it was too late to take any action as the 14 days period was up and no appeal was allowed. Few days later received first debt collector’s letter and LBCc in July.
    Initially, she couldn’t figure where the location was to even send in an out of date mitigating circumstances appeal and according to all correspondence she had no choice but to pay up or face county court.
    I now have to submit a defence with the above. I would really appreciate your advice.
    Thanks again.
  • OK, so what is your DATE OF ISSUE?

    You *cannot* leave it a week before coming back, then only answering *some* of the questions posed. THeyre asked for a good reason!

    OK so it isnt mitigating circumstances
    It was FRUSTRATION OF CONTRACT. The first driver suffered a fall, was unable to recover the car so a second driver came to collect it.

    No charge can be payable under those circumstances.

    YOU cannot submit the defence, it has to be done in HER name as Defendant, with her present. There is no choice in this.

    You should ensure there is a Witness STatement from the driver who picked the car up to confirm , plus any medical records if they exist confirming the accident. Think!

    I personally would defend this as Driver, NOT as Keeper, as it will come across a LOT better as the driver can talk about the circumstances - and coming across genuine will be a BIG help
    She SHOULD have responded to the LBC - this will count against her.
  • @nosferatu1001..Appreciate your reply.
    1.Date of issue of CC claim: 17/08/18 (Ppc frequent this forum so was a bit afraid)
    2.The Aos was sent in her name as defendant on 30/08/18
    She's 75 and not computer literate. Im here to help her write up a defence.
    3. The LBC was a demand of payment not allowing her any recourse to explain herself. Extenuating circumstances perhaps? Can she write up a separate letter explaining the entire situation apart from the defence.
    4. She should be able to obtain a letter from her doctor apart from the other drivers witness statement.
    5. I realise my tardiness dilutes the urgency of my asking for advice but it was a situation beyond my control and explaining myself would be just that hence, with due respect for reader's time I got to the point.
    Than you again for taking out time and reading the post!
  • KeithP
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    With a Claim Issue Date of 17th August and the Acknowledgement of Service having been done in a timely manner, you have until 4pm on Wednesday 19th September 2018 to file your Defence.

    Still two weeks, but don't leave it to the last minute.


    When you are happy with the content, your Defence should be filed via email as described here:

    1) Print the Defence.
    2) Sign it and date it.
    3) Scan the signed document back in and save it as a pdf.
    4) Send that pdf as an email attachment to CCBCAQ@Justice.gov.uk
    5) Just put the claim number and the word Defence in the email title, and in the body of the email something like 'Please find my Defence attached'.
    6) Log into MCOL after a few days to see if the Claim is marked "defended". If not, you should chase the CCBC until it is.
    7) Wait for the Directions Questionnaire and come back here.
  • Coupon-mad
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    OK so it isnt mitigating circumstances
    It was FRUSTRATION OF CONTRACT. The first driver suffered a fall, was unable to recover the car so a second driver came to collect it.

    No charge can be payable under those circumstances.
    It's also an Equality Act issue - the delay was caused by her mobility issues which caused her to fall. It is a shame that she didn't send a late appeal letter saying that, as it would make her defence stronger, if the Claimant had known about the issue she had.
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  • nosferatu1001
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    Indeed, or a response to the LBC

    OP - of course you can respond to the LBC with an "appeal" - not actually an appeal, but a challenge to them. It would have helped. You could do so now - see what C-M says - so they are warned at the earliest chance now she understands what she CAN do. You could even criticise their LBA if it truly did not invite a discussion - the entire POINT of the PAP is to narrow issues, by geting people to talk, not put them off or close it down

    C-M - agreed for sure.

    So AT LEAST two defence points in addition to the norm

    1) Equality Act - indirect discrimination against someone with Mobility Issues
    2) Frustration of Contract - due to a fall (the frustration outside of the Ds control) the D was unable to return to the vehicle in time. No charge was possible. Another driver recovered the vehicle as soon as possible.
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