I too have a hr/ reference question (sorry olivia111)

another_casualty · 13 January 2017 at 11:47PM

After sticking it out in a company that I didn't want to be at for 8+ years , I finally escaped. I joined as a temp ,just before the greatest recession of our times and because of my age etc couldn't get out .

Background to my initial question : old boss retired. Company streamlining even in senior positions, meant that my new boss was
the personnel officer .

Trying not to bore you too much but :
I was put on a final written warning ( suspended for 2 years) , for retaliating to to her insensitive treatment of my new diagnosed,illness at the time.
The h r guy couldn't understand what made me go from 'a nice likeable bloke ', but he had to stick with the company of course.
No I didn't appeal. I also had to apologise to her.

Forward to November 2016, I had to give one weeks notice instead of a month, because I had sold my flat and had a week to get out.

I did not get bonus , so I assume the company are a little bitter.

Having said that , I left on good terms. We shook hands.
I made sure of saying good morning to her each day etc.
I forgot to ask her if I'll get a reference. So much going on .:)
I'm taking around 6,months off. Long story.
I explained situation to her and the company , so hr know my reasons for quitting.

I'm not overly stressed about it, on a Friday night but while I'm tying up loose ends, I thought I'd ask,your opinion:)

Thanks

paddedjohn · 13 January 2017 at 11:51PM

just read your essay and can't see a question anywhere.

[Deleted User] · 14 January 2017 at 12:14AM

Don't worry until it becomes an issue, nothing you can do. Apart from lining up some 'character' referees for very worst case. Don't willing volunteer this until you have to

(trust me I did this typed up all the info needed and they sure made sure everyone on that list was still alive lol!) keep payslips to definitely.

I once left a company couple of years ago for prospective, where the office manager and directors just walked off no bye bye on last day, I was gutted, however, they are one of the first who will respond to me if I need to send them an email about reference approach.

I left a company after 5 years of service and found it took them nearly a year before they would even write references at manager/business level. I remember when first leaving being told in an exit interview hey sorry that will go to central HR services to write (Going back a fair time now) just imagined after a year their policies changed so it's always worth trying as you never do know.

sortofwinning · 14 January 2017 at 1:01AM

I'm in the position of having left a job after very unsavoury dealings (got bullied, managers covered it up, I sent them a solicitor's letter). Fortunately I've now got a part time job through a friend's ex boyf so I didn't need to worry about references in the end.

But if I hadn't got this job, my back up plan was to do voluntary work for a few months, then get a reference from the company I did the voluntary work for.

There would be certain jobs where you probably have to get a reference from your past employer, or maybe two past employers, but I only work in admin and I reckon most employers I would be applying to would accept a reference from a voluntary agency (although there's no absolute guarantee of that). There are ways and means around problematic references for a lot of people, although not for the likes of the police or bankers/finance workers.

another_casualty · 14 January 2017 at 7:50AM

paddedjohn wrote: »

just read your essay and can't see a question anywhere.

Thanks for reading

It was long winded . Just.wanted to know if I will get reference?
I assume I would .

another_casualty · 14 January 2017 at 8:04AM

Thanks sort of / keep calm:)
I assume I would get reference . I've been told that , it's illegal
to give a bad reference .
Believe it or not , I'm not overly worried as before I took a break ,have been less than 6 months unemployed since leaving school.

I rarely took time off work . I even run the dept solo while my colleague was having a knee replacement , when I only had one eye functioning.
The left eye collapsed , with occular myasthenia gravis .

My new boss criticised my hsp appointments . Final straw came when , out of the blue, she made a sarcaastic comment . I exploded. Never swore, just shouted at her sitting down the whole time .
The only way this could be an issue , is that it is my most recent employer.

another_casualty · 14 January 2017 at 8:11AM

sortofwinning wrote: »

I'm in the position of having left a job after very unsavoury dealings (got bullied, managers covered it up, I sent them a solicitor's letter). Fortunately I've now got a part time job through a friend's ex boyf so I didn't need to worry about references in the end.

But if I hadn't got this job, my back up plan was to do voluntary work for a few months, then get a reference from the company I did the voluntary work for.

There would be certain jobs where you probably have to get a reference from your past employer, or maybe two past employers, but I only work in admin and I reckon most employers I would be applying to would accept a reference from a voluntary agency (although there's no absolute guarantee of that). There are ways and means around problematic references for a lot of people, although not for the likes of the police or bankers/finance workers.

Well done for standing up to them.

This place i left was very clique( spelling). My colleague was trying to put people against me as he wanted total control.
A lot of people preferred him to me. A lot saw through him.
He is now stuck. He hasn't got me to fall back on changing shifts , for his disabled wife . She is now dying in hsp ,and he is now very busy.
Karma , etc:)

Undervalued · 14 January 2017 at 10:53AM

another_casualty wrote: »

Thanks for reading
It was long winded . Just.wanted to know if I will get reference?
I assume I would .

Nobody can give you a definitive answer to that!

Unless you work in one of a few regulated professions there is no legal obligation for an employer to respond to a reference request at all if they don't want to.

In your next post you say

I've been told that , it's illegal to give a bad reference .

That is total nonsense! They can say anything they like as long as it is true and not deliberately misleading.

another_casualty · 14 January 2017 at 11:24AM

Thanks undervalued

When I'm ready to return to work , I'll be going via the agency route .
When I used to go to agencies , you could be frank and upfront .
They would tell me what to say and what not to say

So long as I don't run company down , in interviews I should be fine

Thanks

I too have a hr/ reference question (sorry olivia111)

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